welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) been thinking of getting a bigger cal rifle for fox . i am useing at the moment 17 hmr cal for crows up to fox but i dont feel the 17 hmr is enough for a fox.so i want a bigger cal now. iv got a 22 lr and the 17 hmr ..what do i have to do now to get a bigger cal allowed in my ticket ? do things come into play such as how long i have had firearms and experiance matter when going for a 222 or a 223 ? kinda looking for a step by step thing here lol ..do i just ring up and ask or do i need to send a new application in and ask for a 222. or a 223 Edited December 31, 2010 by welsh warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You fill in the same form as you did when originally applying but you don't need to send any photos or fill in the references section just include a cheque for £26. State what guns you already have and any unfilled slots on your FAC and put down what you are applying for and why (don't forget to put in for a moderator). Some forces will send the FEO to discuss, some won't but you might need your land re-checking if it isn't cleared for whatever calibre you're applying for. There is no set time limit for a variation, it's the same as an original grant. If you have the land and a need for whatever gun and you're not banned from owning one (obviously not as you already have a FAC), then you should get what you ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 thanks colster made it very simple for me lol thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 the land i shoot on has been past for .243 cal so i should be allowed the 223 really ..right ? its just for fox and theres plenty of them where i go as no one else shoots up there the land owner said no one has shot up there for close on 30 years so plenty of breding time lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You should be fine, personally I'd go .223 rather than .222 but there will be some people along soon to muddy the waters and suggest .22-250 That ones's a bit trickier, either will do the job great so it might be an idea to find a gun then ask if they'll hold it and put in for that, either .223 or .22-250 A quick look on GunTrader shows more cheap .22-250's about than .223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 A quick look on GunTrader shows more cheap .22-250's about than .223 wonder why? they are barrel burners mate, buy a 223 or 222. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 what do you mean barrel burners ? im going to put on my forms for a 222 and the 223 and hope i can have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 they wear the barrels out, not horrendously i'll just add, but for what it's worth they won't last as long as either of the other two, reloading costs more also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If we assume the variation part is dealt with, as a quick response I would say .223. If you feel you need a 22-250 then consider carefully in comparison with a .243 before taking the leap. Twist rates in barrels must always be considered but if you want something fast, then a bit of work can have your home brew .243 ammo up near 4000ft sec, and then some heavier .243 works for ALL deer as well! .243 is also recognised and listed as a Fox suitable Calibre in the Home Office Guide! Have fun, unfortunately/fortunately this is why many end up with a whole Cabinet/s full of rifles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 The FAO will probably want you to be supervised with a centre fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 I wouldnt put in for both centrefires of the same calibre (pretty much). Im in the same boat and will put putting in a variation for a foxing centrefire round, I originally went for .243 on my application as I have .308 experience, but to cut a long story short the FEO said to wait a year, but I might got for the 22-250 or the .223 as the keeper shoots all the deer on the estate that I help out on! Put in for the .223 as they are good rifles and ammo is fairly cheap, not to mention readily available. As Colster said, make sure you put a mod in aswell. Have fun. James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 so 223 is the best bet for me then ? i was thinking of the 223 first so i think i will stick with it. thankyou guys happy new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 how much for a decent 223 cal rifle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 how much for a decent 223 cal rifle ? Well im trying to save around £1500, but then again I do want a nice rifle like a Remmington 700 SPS, with Schmidt and bender scope, with a T8 Moderator, rifle £600, scope £600, mod £250. I would really like a Steyr SSG 69, but they are about a grand + and will still shoot the same as a rem 700. Howa arent bad for the money either, picked one up in the gunshop the other day, felt nice, rubbery stock so good when foxing late at night. How ofter are you going to be using this setup? For dusk? Lamping? As your setup will be dependent on that. But as the old saying goes, buy your scope with the money and the rifle with the change, I have found this out the hard way, and it pays to buy good optics, I want S+B or Zeiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 i will be using it during the day so no lamping ..im looking to spend 500 (rfd) on the gun and about 300 on the scope... i do like the cz range ..but i will come to this later on lol as i have not even sent away the forms so i cant wait till thing are all back to normal next week some time .. will i have to have some one shooting with me when i first go out ? if so what if i dont know any one who can do it and/or wont ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Some forces seem very keen on putting a mentoring condition on, it just depends. I don't have one on my .243 which was my first centrefire and applied for on a variation after having my original FAC for about 7 months. As for guns, have a look at the Browning A-Bolt, you can pick one up brand new, screwcut for under £500. I did look at the Howa but didn't like the feel of the stock as much and the Browning has a four round magazine which clips to the floor plate so it's the best of both worlds. For a mod, I'd suggest a Predator 8 Compact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Nice choice there Colster. It will all depend on the force you have when the issue your ticket back to you, if you have had rimfire long enough and your land is cleared for the rifle you ask for, then im sure it will come back un mentored. Scope wise, for £300 go for a Burris Fullfield 2 range or the Leupold range. Nice quality Optics but wont break the bank. CZ Rifles are good, the do the job and dont mess about, mates had a .22 hornet for 30 years and it is only just starting to knacker out the barrel from burning out. Whatever you go for im sure it will do the job just fine. Have a look on guntrader or sportsman gun centre and have a browse on what setup you would like. Sportsman have a good range of full setup for just over a grand (rifle, scope and mod) and its not chep brands either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 There are very few BAD makes of gun, there are certainly some bad individual examples. Many people slag off Remington, in much the same way and for the same reasons they would the likes of the Ford Motor Company. They mass produce guns to a budget on the whole, but also to a standard acceptable to most, and many do shoot very well out of the box. If you want to, there are masses of 3rd party options for your Remington as well, probably more than any other make. As it happens I have a 700SPS Stainless in .308, with the X Mark Pro trigger, it does what I want! My rifles are ALL tools, they are not there to simply look pretty and show off, they are there to do a job to an acceptable standard, and all mine do that job for me. Lots to consider, Howas, Remington, Tikka, CZ, etc, etc. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 well i have got a couple of places to shoot ones passed for .243 cal and the other for .308 and my reason is for fox control so im pretty sure i can have a 223 cal rifle for mr fox .. so just got to ring up for new forms now and send it away. i do like the howa range of rifles what kind of price are they ? also on the forms do i need to say how much ammo i want like i did for my other rifle ? if so how much is a good ammount for fox controll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 think ive found my rifle Howa Lightning 1500 what you think guys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Most Howa owners seem pretty happy, and you can get a decent package with mod, scope etc if you shop around. ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 or ruger m77 ..here we go lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo321 Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) hi i had my fac 12 wks, and i applied for a 17 hmr and a .223 , i lost my 22air fac as part the deal lol, and the feo mentioned about having a tutor to start, But i said i only ever shoot alone! i got it ok ,My ammo is 250 and can buy 200 at any one time , ive been told thats a good amount for first time ? . So in a total of 16 weeks went from a 22lr upto remmy 223 tactical ,along with a 17hmr and not forgetting the shotguns so it can be done . Edited January 4, 2011 by bongo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 well i have the forms with me right now and will send them away this week .im going for 223 with mod reason is vermin controll ..the land i shoot on is passed for 243.so i cant think of a reason why they would say no .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Good choice welsh warrior (although i use a 22-250 )but ask for all vermin, fox and ground game. Some forces do not regard fox as vermin and want it listed seperately, ground game allows you to shoot hares. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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