harpoonlouis Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Does anyone have actual experience of using a semi auto 22 rim fire rifle with a moderator and comparable experience of firing a moderated bolt action rifle? Is there any loss of sound supression from the breach of a self loader? Looking for a very low noise set up for rabbit clearnce in an equesrian yard and just a little concerned that a self loader will emit some extra sound from the breach on re-load. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Does anyone have actual experience of using a semi auto 22 rim fire rifle with a moderator and comparable experience of firing a moderated bolt action rifle? Is there any loss of sound supression from the breach of a self loader? Looking for a very low noise set up for rabbit clearnce in an equesrian yard and just a little concerned that a self loader will emit some extra sound from the breach on re-load. thanks A semi auto is louder than a bolt action. The cycling makes a noise and if I fired my CZ and my S/A you'd hear a clear difference. Question is; Do you feel you will have so many rabbits that you physically will not be able to reload fast enough. I never take my S/A out, as the CZ does the trick nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Personally I don't think there's a lot of difference....a mate uses his moerated 10/22 when out lamping sometimes.You get the clank of the action cycling but it doesn't seem to scare away rabbits any more than my CZ B/A.One thing to bear in mind if you're shooting in and around an equestrian area,is the collection of your ejected brass.An auto will chuck brass out before you've even seen it go,so you may need a 'pouch' fitted over the ejection port. Not many farmers consider .22 brass to be an issue,but it may be worth checking with your landowner as regards horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_fox Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Horses can be weird animals where guns are concerned, my moderated .22lr spooks my horses more then my .17hmr or even my .223. I've spoken to other horse owning friends about this and they all say the same thing. I've shot my .223 with my horse standing right next to me and he hardly flinched, but when I shot a rabbit with a moderated .22lr he jumped out of his skin when the bullet hit the rabbit. It pays to desensitise the horses first by starting shooting a few hundred yards away and gradually getting closer. As a bonus the horse owners will thank you because it gets them used to loud bangs and eventually makes a much safer horse to ride. As for empty brass cases, it's really important you pick up all your brass; horses guts are really sensitive, they're probably the only animal that can die from indigestion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 You're right about horses being weird silver fox!We often found it wasn't the sound of the gun which spooked the horses,but the acrobatic spasms of head shot rabbits! Bloody frightening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The land has difficult back stops so it is necessary to empty a specific field for the day and night and to concentrate on a line of hedgerow for 24 hours at a time hence we want to disturb the population as little as possible ans clear up as many as possible in a night. A lot of horse owners on the yard don't really want to ackmowledge the reality of shooting the rabbits but complain about the damage the do to the paddock and the danger to the horses from collopased burrows etc so discretion is the word. So the warrenator is out of the question..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 If you're going to empty the field for 24 hours,have you no mates with ferrets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 The landowner has had several visits from the ferreters and they don't seem to have made much of an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen20 Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Ive got a semi auto ruger 10-22 it's a good rifle and my mate has a 16 inch cz .22lr and I prefer the ruger because you see a few rabbits and shoot one and as Soon as you have shot it in that instant with the noise the rifle has already loaded it's self again for the next shot where as my mate shoots one with the cz and then has to draw bolt back and load another bullet into it making more noise and scaring the rest of them off. I'd say mine is a little bit louder with the cocking action but not much I don't think little differences like that matter cos when you smack the rabbit with the 40 hollow point it mAkes a right thump which is the loudest part. For instance the other week lamping saw 5 rabbits almost together playing lamp on and shot 3 out of the five. No bolt to mess with for every shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katash Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 An important thing to note is that some semi-autos struggle to cycle with subs - remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1in9 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 An important thing to note is that some semi-autos struggle to cycle with subs - remember that. Often cartridge specific though, I've been using a Ruger 10/22 which regularly jams with Eley Subs but never misses a beat with Winchester Subs. It has a peculiar dislike of coated bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 From the shooter's point of view, the noise of a semi auto is louder. From a bunny's point of view...50 yards downrange... It isn't going to notice much difference. (especially if it's dead) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted January 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Er it's the reaction of live ones I am most interested in! Thanks for the input guys. From what has been said the extra breach noise isn't huge so I needn't discount the self loader out of hand so I will get shopping around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 (edited) Er it's the reaction of live ones I am most interested in! Thanks for the input guys. From what has been said the extra breach noise isn't huge so I needn't discount the self loader out of hand so I will get shopping around. Just keep in mind that you may spend more time trying to fix a non cycling S/A than actually shooting bunnies. Some work perfectly and others are just a nightmare. You might find that a case jams every third shot, which isn't good at all. Personally, I'd go with a bolt action over a S/A any day. I made the mistake of buying a S/A as my first .22LR and I realised my mistake when I bought a bolt action. Edited January 10, 2011 by Billy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 Often cartridge specific though, I've been using a Ruger 10/22 which regularly jams with Eley Subs but never misses a beat with Winchester Subs. It has a peculiar dislike of coated bullets. A friend of mines 10/22 is the opposite....cycles eleys, wont touch winchesters....each rifle is different, its a case of finding which make suits your gun shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 My first .22 was a Remi' Speedmaster,I can't recall having any problems with it.Think I used Eley sub's.A great piece of kit.Like any auto,keep 'em clean and you should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 My first .22 was a Remi' Speedmaster,I can't recall having any problems with it.Think I used Eley sub's.A great piece of kit.Like any auto,keep 'em clean and you should be ok. all my 10/22 cycle better when dirty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 all my 10/22 cycle better when dirty! A man after my own heart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 A man after my own heart! one of them hasnt been cleaned for about 10,000 rounds! but it doesnt miss a beat! or the centre of the target! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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