Mungler Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Indeed, if I ever had to book a surgeon for something serious I wouldn't start my selection and search by looking for the cheapest surgeon I could find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Indeed, if I ever had to book a surgeon for something serious I wouldn't start my selection and search by looking for the cheapest surgeon I could find So i guess you wont be looking in the small ads in Poundland for that vasectomy op then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Mungler I ask again whats your view on the surgeons threating to down tools if there overtime payment is slashed EG striking . Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) OTH, we havnt said that, we have suggested that we would not be available for the overtime, this is in response to th management having made such a cock up over contracts, we never had overtime we just did what was required for a sallery, management thought they were being clever by bringing in this contract then bringing in targets that could not be met under the contracts they had set in place. All this is just early shots being fired in preperation for the goverment to reduce or remove merit awards, dont worry when you lop your arm off we will still put it back together. doc Edited January 14, 2011 by docholiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Are you really saying I dont deserve NHS treatment because I think the surgeon who may treat me is overpaid ,the reason I deserve treatment is pay my tax to provide this service I just dont think such huge sum should go to that surgeon who may operate on me. Doc holiday thinks his solictor is overpaid so do you think he does not deserve there service because of his views .No I dont think I should earn that sort of money despite it being a much higher risk job in terms of personal injury factor. Happy days OTH wrong again, there are times I wish Russia still existed and people such as you could go there to enjoy your socialist life, you would be the first to cry. also dont tell me you wouldnt charge more for doing a bit of woodwork if you thought you could. Edited January 14, 2011 by docholiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Quite simply they are worth every last penny. If it wasnt for a very good surgeon I would have lost my mother, to compare it to any other job is just stupid, its not a job, its much more important than a job. I think all the emergeny services and our armed forces do something quite amazing for us and some sectors deserve more in my opinion! I have total and utter respect for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) you're not a little old lady who will pay 1K to have a few conifers cut down though Doc The simple answer is they are worth far more than most of the legal profession and similar. What boils my urine is what Insolvency practitioners get when they wind up companies that have gone bust on you. Now that would give you a coronary OTH Edited January 14, 2011 by al4x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 OTH, if they didn't give some sort of threat in retaliation to the potential cuts in overtime, they'd end up with about £5 an hour They're not actually going to refuse to heal someone who is laying there bleeding to death in front of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 you're not a little old lady who will pay 1K to have a few conifers cut down though Doc no but I know a few who have been charged that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 you're not a little old lady who will pay 1K to have a few conifers cut down though Doc Full on smack in the man plums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 you're not a little old lady who will pay 1K to have a few conifers cut down though Doc Very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Doc I expect you afford to go russia there when you retire at 53 after earning a fair income of the NHS. Heres the link that quotes surgeons saying they would down tools if payment was slashed to . My link Happy days OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Doc I expect you afford to go russia there when you retire at 53 after earning a fair income of the NHS. Heres the link that quotes surgeons saying they would down tools if payment was slashed to . My link Happy days OTH Oh dear oth so wrong again, my income has come from other sources not from the NHS, I have built up a couple of companies during my time, its not the NHS income that would be able to fund it I am so sorry that this jelaousy is eating in to you, but no doubt when you are lying on the table with a saw up you ****** you may reflect on this thread, and please get your facts correct you have shown you have little comprehension of what is actually happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 I am sorry if my views on overtime payments have offended some its not my intention to offend. I may have got some facts wrong yes and I say sorry if I have. But I also say I have read comments by some of members who knocked BA and firefighters for threating strike action and complaining about there wages etc.Who are here defending surgeons. I am not been offended by your strong views on the matter and for certain not jealous of there incomes just question in the current climate is it right. Anyway back to shooting and other things that we all have a passion kind regards OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 BA and firefighters aren't particularly skilled jobs though, rank just up there with tube drivers whose union I could happily stand against a wall and take pot shots at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samc95966 Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Yes we earn £200 for a four hour stint, but it never is four hours its always longer, no extra pay and we have never asked for it. The problem is the management, they screwed it up years ago, basically we were paid a reasonable wage for the nature of our jobs and were ok with that but the management came in and said you lot are out playing golf not working a 40 hour week, we said no most of us put in 60 to 80 hours with no extra pay. they being second rate management said nobody would do that for free judging us by their standards, therefore you will work 40 hours and we will pay you above rates. Problem was all the free work then wasnt done as we said, ok we will work your system and prove it. all of a sudden they have to pay overtime to cover the work. The management of the NHS is bringing it to its knees, dont blame the Drs and Nurses. Yes I earn a very good wage but dont forget I earn less than most lawyers etc, I didnt get my first pay packet until I was 28 and that was peanuts for the first eight years, I worked over a hundred hours a week during that time. as for the comments from dustem dave I give up. what a cock as James May might say. PS my wife a BA Captain earns a lot more than me as do the majority of professions. all the best doc Dont forget the amount of tax Doctors pay, my girlfriend is a doctor and has 5 more years of training to get to a consultant, she pays a ton of tax, not to mention the loss of any benifit if she decides to have any children. She also has the risk of being sued if things go wrong or makes a mistake. Just a though i wanted to share : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted January 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 BA and firefighters aren't particularly skilled jobs though, rank just up there with tube drivers whose union I could happily stand against a wall and take pot shots at But dont you think its hypocritcial to say you think firefighters are wrong to threaten striking action over pay and then its alright for surgeons to say we threat to down tools. Cheers OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 But I also say I have read comments by some of members who knocked BA and firefighters for threating strike action and complaining about there wages etc.Who are here defending surgeons. The fire fighters striked over hours, not pay. My thread was a rant at how they refused to help people in need. Until the surgeons actually refuse to help someone who is dying, I will support their overtime wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 The fire fighters striked over hours, not pay. My thread was a rant at how they refused to help people in need. Until the surgeons actually refuse to help someone who is dying, I will support their overtime wages. and that I can promise will never happen doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 BA and firefighters aren't particularly skilled jobs though, rank just up there with tube drivers whose union I could happily stand against a wall and take pot shots at BA I agree, can train a trolly dolly in a few weeks, they at BA just think they are more important than anybody else, i.e the BA cabin crew at Gatwick, and that is the problem there. Firefighters, I am not so sure about, I think they are highly skilled, may be wrong but not sure you get trained in a few weeks for that job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 But dont you think its hypocritcial to say you think firefighters are wrong to threaten striking action over pay and then its alright for surgeons to say we threat to down tools. Cheers OTH I'm sure you're an 8 till 4 kind of worker OTH correct me if i'm wrong but that seems to be what most people who do a manual ish job do. If its anything like most builders i've employed 4pm is like just about bearable for them 5 is a disaster as the pub is calling. No such thing as overtime which is possibly why you are missing out the fact that its overtime the surgeons are stpping rather than actually going on strike. Not that it would happen but were you to go on a job and do your 8 hours and the person then said oi you need to do another 4 on top what would your response be? I'd guess it would be along the lines of go forth and multiply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 You really aren't getting the whole supply and demand thing are you OTH? That probably goes hand in hand with a lack of understanding as to just how much training is required of a surgeon and the fact that you are a raving communist by all accounts. If you squeeze the surgeons then the good ones will leave the NHS and either work abroad or just do private work. That will leave the NHS with no surgeons, surgeons that do it for the love (not that many of them about), or cheap surgeons from abroad. If you squeeze BA cabin crew and they all walked out the next day, well you could replace them all in a heart beat with equally skilled Virgin Cabin crew who will do the same job for less money or you could go down to any gay nightclub and hire the bar staff who will already be gay and able to serve drinks and thereby meet 95% of the job criteria. Regarding the the firefighters, the problem they have is that there are a gazillion people who would like to be firefighters and a waiting list to join the service. Also, whilst what they do is brave, it is not skilled in the sense that you wouldn't need a degree, a PhD etc to become a fireman. However, what they do have (for the timebeing) is a nice monopoly like the train drivers. It's not like there's a pool of mobile fire fighters or train drivers that could be used or poached from. Any other questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 and the fact that you are a raving communist by all accounts. That bit made me LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 and the fact that you are a raving communist by all accounts. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 14, 2011 Report Share Posted January 14, 2011 Some people just don't know when they are beat, do they Another PW moment where I salute the originator of my signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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