bavarianbrit Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 As above...our clubs membership nearly tripled, mostly with the above types, this was questioned quite alot at the time. This is what started to become more common, it revealed the wrong picture in the Sport Centre that the club was held in, even to the point that the club started to receive letters of complaint. It outlined which direction it was all going when one member started bring his handgun to the club in a chest rig under his jacket. I decided to Emigrate to Germany in 1998 after handing in my pistols (I had lived 6.5 years in the US and it stuck in my craw big time (Adolph Hitler style of government) and it took me till 2002 to sell my house and actually do the move, here I have 2 pistols and 30 long guns and the 1.8 million shooters here will not accept today such treatment from their government. The UKs an OK place but the shooting club mentality has suffered permenant danmage by that ban and I do not believe that it will recover to the happy clubby atmosphere it was before which was marvelous untill the granny state jumped in. If you dont like it leave is my motto. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Correct mungler,semi-auto has long gone.But my revolvers haven't! Have got rid of most but still have one or two left.Not as obsessed as I once was! No one is disagreeing that shooting attracts undesirables,and handguns possibly attract more than their fair share,but they(handguns)don't have the monopoly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) As the guy in Germany has pointed out they will not allow their government to treat them the way our nanny state fools have done to us and has taken the clever route and left good one you. I am sure there are more chances of me getting ALL six number on Saturdays lottery than getting a handgun and relating sports in this country again. HOWEVER when the SLR and PA rifles were restricted to sec5 they left the .22 for section one reasons as they did with the .22 pistol IF that tool Blair and he gang of thieving pansies had not got in then maybe that section of shooting would still exist and threads like this wouldn't exist. 13 years after Hungerford there are no (or unspoken) calls by shooters to repeal that act because the .22 version and shotguns are still there. 13 years after Dumblane the shooting world still calls for the handgun act to be repealed and If WE don't shout they won't listen ALSO they will think we are a walk over again! after Dumblane I am sorry to say there wasn't much of a **** you to the government after Derrick birds stunt what happened? We all stood up and shouted back So If some here think I am wrong for putting up a fight then don't expect me to fight for you when your side of the sport comes under threat. Back me and I'll back you ok Even If there is or is not a repeal at least it says we ain't laying down this time. Edited February 24, 2011 by masterzone2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Correct mungler,semi-auto has long gone.But my revolvers haven't! Have got rid of most but still have one or two left.Not as obsessed as I once was! No one is disagreeing that shooting attracts undesirables,and handguns possibly attract more than their fair share,but they(handguns)don't have the monopoly. To be honest i have seen quite few oddballs in RFD's....Mostly looking at Airguns and pistols and asking stupid questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Masterzone when you say the shooting world calls for a repeal just how many do you people do you think that is I doubt very much whether enough would sign the governments on line petitions for it to even get a mention and do you know why it is cause no one wants to rock the boat or cares and to be frank I don't blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) As a former secrtary and chairman of what was a big pistol club I broadly support the ban but not the way it was done. Handguns have always attracted weirdos, there is no point in saying otherwise. Thats not to say they were dangerous weirdos because they weren't but that was always the elephant in the room. The growth in the decade before the ban in practical pistol and police pistol brought loads of Walter Mitty types into the sport. Fantacists who liked to dress up and blaze away. Something was bound to happen. The only trouble was that when it did it took down the serious shooters as well. Vince I Know exactly what you mean . Our club had a member who used to come and shoot police pistol and wanted to carry a snubby revolver in a hoster around his ankle for a back up . Needless to say he got his marching orders . Harnser . Edited February 24, 2011 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Ok OCD lets reverse your statement lets assume the .22 was allowed back as section one and that you would only be able to have one as a target shooter (HD ETC different rules as needed etc) How many people would then put in there paper work for one? And on the other side of the coin is what you are basically saying is they are hiding there heads in the sand hoping the pack of wolfs won't see them and leave them alone? no offence just one day it will be the .22 semi auto then the sec1 shotgun then all bar the .22 then section one gone just o/u and s/s left hopefully I'll be long gone before then. but you see where I am coming from better to make a stand and delay them then bend over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 No I don't think any one is hiding away but I do think they are picking their fights and handguns are just a non starter. as to how many would put in for a .22 if allowed I don't know but what I do know is that .22 free pistols have been available for some time and next to non have sold and I should say that shouts volumes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) So we are going to have a load of foreigners over here with handguns not on FAC that the locals can't have, nothing new there then I feel really safe now. OCD .22 free pistols thats one I haven't heard of, got anything to enlighten me further? I know there are LOADS of L.B.Ps got 2 on my ticket just need the money now to buy them. Edited February 24, 2011 by masterzone2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 A previous post just made me ponder. Ryan used a centre-fire semi-automatic rifle....result,banned. Hamilton used centre-fire pistols....result,banned. Bird used a 12 bore double-ejector shotgun and .22 rifle.....result....? Do we(shooters)have the resolve to fight this?From past experience the answer has to be no.It's not going to happen,there are too many Politicians and Lords who shoot,to allow that to happen,but they don't have to ban them really.In the face of the latest murders in Cumbria,what if our politicians decided that unless you actually owned the land on which you want to shoot,then you have no 'good reason' to own a shotgun or firearm?Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I thought semi autos and or S1 shotguns would go as a result of Cumbria. I think the thread running through all those massacres is the fact that there's plenty of law obiding and police checked nutters with FACs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 So we are going to have a load of foreigners over here with handguns not on FAC that the locals can't have, nothing new there then I feel really safe now. OCD .22 free pistols thats one I haven't heard of, got anything to enlighten me further? I know there are LOADS of L.B.Ps got 2 on my ticket just need the money now to buy them. http://www.nsra.co.uk/Shop2/Shop_html/Pistols_.22.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Scully good point BUT when you pay for a years club membership you are buying in to the club retrospectively owning a "share" in that club and thus may be responsible for part of any debt the club may fall in to EG the club has 100 members and owns £200 and has no funds to pay it each member could (by law) be required to pay £2 each. So in them terms to partly own the land you are shooting on. It something my car club had to do a few years ago we owned for a car show we hosted and all had to come up with £10+ (we all got it back once the show was over) But that it self "could" be a loop hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCD Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 But would a club not have to be HO approved and that could be a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I thought semi autos and or S1 shotguns would go as a result of Cumbria. I think the thread running through all those massacres is the fact that there's plenty of law obiding and police checked nutters with FACs Why when Bird used a double barrel and BA rifle? Edited February 24, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Why when Bird used a doble barrel and BA rifle? I thought the rifle was a semi auto? Anyhows, no one remembers the shooting community for those of us that manage not to go potty. I was just wondering who would have been Thomas Hamilton's FAC referee? There must have been a few who knew him and considered his passion for "the sport" and handguns generally to be perfectly normal. The referee probably just thought that Hamilton was "a shooting man" and that all shooting men should stand side by side regardless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) oops. Enjoying the posts. Edited February 24, 2011 by vole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 I thought the rifle was a semi auto? Anyhows, no one remembers the shooting community for those of us that manage not to go potty. I was just wondering who would have been Thomas Hamilton's FAC referee? There must have been a few who knew him and considered his passion for "the sport" and handguns generally to be perfectly normal. The referee probably just thought that Hamilton was "a shooting man" and that all shooting men should stand side by side regardless.... The subject of a lot of rumour and intrigue....from he was part of a peado ring involving top coppers to he got his FAC (and collection of guns) in return for informing on a peado ring. Or perhaps he was a just weirdo who slipped through the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 The subject of a lot of rumour and intrigue....from he was part of a peado ring involving top coppers to he got his FAC (and collection of guns) in return for informing on a peado ring. Or perhaps he was a just weirdo who slipped through the net. Yeah but what if the next Thomas Hamilton was to pop up on Pigeon Watch looking for strange and weird ways to get the correct licensing for a handgun. Would you provide that shooter with unquestioning support and guidance (all for one and one for all amongst all shooters etc) or would call it how you saw it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) I would like to call it like i saw it. Or at least like to think I could perhaps I am just too nice/genuine/trusting person, but then I am not an FEO/FLO/chief constable. Edited February 24, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) On one subject I too was informed he was a pedo who done funny hand shakes with the police to get his firearms collection. BUT A member of my club brought a family member to a club night he was In Hamilton's old club before they kicked him out(thomas not this guys family member)-they also wrote to the home office and basically begged them to revoke his FAC and firearms Even the FEO of that area tryed to revoke them BUT it was said the copper in charge (who quit very soon after Dumblane)was stopping this in its tracks every time, even when the police caught him in public with them LOADED. And If people are trying to call things as they see them then As far as I can tell and in MY opinion There is 1. A Member of the G.C.N on here trying to cause trouble or get one of us to say something they can use. 2. a Member of the press trying to do the above 3. Police firearms unit doing the same 4. or just some sad trouble maker! Remember some of us are interested in how the law works thats pretty much it-If it wasn't for that doubt I would have my SPAS 12 I was always told they were section 5 then I checked the law and found you could own Sec1 and sec2 versions. LIFE ADVICE: If you don't walk up to that girl on the dance floor and ask if she'd like a shagg then you stand less chance of ******** her-you might get told no,**** off, slapped, drink in face (note keep mouth open for that one) OR you might get an OK then lets go. you don't know if you don't ask OK! Edited February 24, 2011 by masterzone2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Having read all of this with interest, never having owned or used a handgun, I am wondering if people would agree with a system whereby the pistols are kept at registered clubs and members can target shoot at the clubs? To me it seems a very safe way of doing things, and I think the current system whereby the Olympic team trains abroad is mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Right chaps... I'm off... Thanks for a good read and a bit of a chuckle but I'm now thoroughly bored with this thread.... see you on the one about ex-pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterzone2 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Guest 1957 that is what happened with the .22 until Blair stuck his over pay'd face in. you could have A .22 locked up at a Home Office Approved club and would need to tell the police if you were going to remove it from there for any reason such as work by gunsmith a competition out of that club selling ETC. It would have worked but some bunch of ***** vote labour in so they too were lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted February 24, 2011 Report Share Posted February 24, 2011 Guest 1957 that is what happened with the .22 until Blair stuck his over pay'd face in. you could have A .22 locked up at a Home Office Approved club and would need to tell the police if you were going to remove it from there for any reason such as work by gunsmith a competition out of that club selling ETC. It would have worked but some bunch of ***** vote labour in so they too were lost Sounds like a very sensible idea. I guess Blair just used it to score cheap political points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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