Minimum price on alcohol

[Dr W]

I have brought up seven, the youngest 16.5 and no she has NEVER had a drop accross her lips, when she is 18 she can try it, but as all the rest are just about tee total I dont think she ever will,( and there is always booze in the house available)moral of the story is bring your kids up right, get them to understand excess and have respect for others, then we would not have the excuse to put a bottle of whisky up in price by 8 quid( that wil stop bingeing eh!) just because some lazy idle non caring parent does not give a jack schitt what their kids are up to.

 

KW

 

How can you be 100% certain she has never had a drink? You can't follow her all the time?

 

And is abstinence the best policy, if you ban someone from doing something till they're 18 doesn't that make it seem all the more exciting and therefore likely to try and binge on it from an early age?

 

The french have a culture where wine is involved with meals from an early age so the kids learn that alcohol isn't mysterious and exciting it's just part of everyday life so less inclined to go on benders.

 

It's also part of the culture in the UK so it's more acceptable and even encouraged.

 

I used to nick the odd can from my parents from age of about 13 or 14 for weekend parties,from 16 we'd generally get hold of a few cans for the weekend. It wasn't on school nights and I worked hard at school it was just what we did at weekends as it was fun. Then like most people we started sneaking into pubs once we could get away with it at the weekend and yes we got drunk but we weren't idiots (well most of the time anyway) and it didn't make me an alcoholic in later life.

 

I now go to the pub once every couple of weeks, have plenty of variety of bottles at home and if I want a drink I have one, usually a couple of bottles of beer at the weekend or a couple of glasses of wine but nothing excessive. Just because you don't drink until 18 doesn't mean you're going to be a sensible drinker, it's down to the individual.

Edited January 20, 2011 by Dr W

[Dr W]

 

I am not sure how to fix things becouse you look at it, the kids think a good night is one or two lines of coke (£40-80) 10 pints(£35+), a viagra(£25) becouse they cant get it up and £10 for a taxi home. Is this a good night out!!

 

One or two lines of coke is a few quid, a pill is about £3, trips are a couple of quid.

 

I think you're just pushing kids into doing other stuff if you price them out of booze.

[kdubya]

How can you be 100% certain she has never had a drink? You can't follow her all the time?

 

 

 

simple mate she is my daughter and I KNOW her,you dont!oh and she's not banned at all just been told we dont want her to, childhood is short enough without us encouraging an almighty rush into adulthood, her sisters and brother are not **** heads neither will she be, thats left to me.

 

KW

Edited January 20, 2011 by kdubya

[al4x]

simple mate she is my daughter and I KNOW her,you dont!oh and she's not banned at all just been told we dont want her to, childhood is short enough without us encouraging an almighty rush into adulthood, her sisters and brother are not **** heads neither will she be, thats left to me.

 

KW

 

 

blimey sounds like a girl I grew up with who was the vicars daughter, dad ruled with a rod of Iron and boy she went off the rails once she escaped him, and well she was quite good fun after that

[Dr W]

blimey sounds like a girl I grew up with who was the vicars daughter, dad ruled with a rod of Iron and boy she went off the rails once she escaped him, and well she was quite good fun after that

 

Funny I also know one like that, vicars daughter who was one of the first to get pregnant. A friend of mine went to Belfast Uni and he said the girls from Convent Schools were the worst (or best depending on your view) and you could literally knock on their door in the afternoon and have a bit of fun, boy I wished I'd gone to Uni there.

 

I jsut wonder whether banning someone from something till their of a certain age is the best way to go, I think if I had kids I'd rather they had a drink with me and understood about it rather than waiting till 18 and then going hell for leather.

[kdubya]

blimey sounds like a girl I grew up with who was the vicars daughter, dad ruled with a rod of Iron and boy she went off the rails once she escaped him, and well she was quite good fun after that

 

now I know your bit slow but pray tell were does the rod of iron come from? my youngest simply chooses not to go out on the lash at 16 and a half becuse she knows its wrong and has more respect in herself than you summise, the second youngest worked as a barmaid, she does not drink, the wife does not drink never has never will,the rest (all married with families) drink occasionally at functions etc, I on the other hand can drink for england, and like nothing better than a good session although it now takes me days to get over it, so please dont use the wait till she goes off the rails cheap shot lark, stick to what you actually know about IE very little.

 

KW

[al4x]

you're probably not as bad as you sound Kudubya the way it came across wasn't the best. If you get away with a child who can socially interact properly whilst not doing what all her peers are doing you will do doing well.

[HEAD SHOT NO1]

No because poor people like me who are well old enough to drink when we like may not be able to afford to.

The rich kids will still buy it and as usual it will effect only poor people while the Rich sit back and enjoy.

Seems to be a growing fashion,what when the poor cant afford to eat and start having to rob full time as theres no work?

This country is getting out of control.

 

I cant think of a solution,up the age to 21?send every one to prison if cought drunk walking home?oh on the spot fines and up the price would be a nice money spinner.

 

yes some thing silly is going to happen that will once again effect the people it is not suppose to.

[UKPoacher]

No because poor people like me who are well old enough to drink when we like may not be able to afford to.

The rich kids will still buy it and as usual it will effect only poor people while the Rich sit back and enjoy.

Seems to be a growing fashion,what when the poor cant afford to eat and start having to rob full time as theres no work?

This country is getting out of control.

 

I cant think of a solution,up the age to 21?send every one to prison if cought drunk walking home?oh on the spot fines and up the price would be a nice money spinner.

 

yes some thing silly is going to happen that will once again effect the people it is not suppose to.

 

In my experience as a copper it is the poor people who drink the most. It amazes me how those on the dole can be permenantly pi$$ed, chain smoke and still find money for drugs.

 

This is a tax, pure and simple. Nothing about health. All that will happen is that the booze cruises will start up again. Just like the ciggie holiday trade gets round the absurdly high prices for UK tobacco.

[henry d]

Strangely enough I have just been to the supermarket where eye-catchingly they have placed on the aisle end, cheapo booze and not just rubbish stuff neither, Abbot ale, Shepard Neame and Guinness foreign stout (8% I think ) and at £1 a bottle.

 

It`s a bit of a bargain and right into the tightest week of the tightest month for some, those marketing boys know a trick or two eh !

[al4x]

it does raise the question of how cheap should supermarkets be able to sell booze, remember the pub trade is dying with this cheap alcohol local off licenses and shops can't compete and people are drinking far more at home because of it. I like most take advantage of the offers but do try and make most of my drinking a few at the local rather than 5 cans a night which costs about the same as a pint in the local these days

[kdubya]

you're probably not as bad as you sound Kudubya the way it came across wasn't the best. If you get away with a child who can socially interact properly whilst not doing what all her peers are doing you will do doing well.

 

fair enough

 

KW

[kdubya]

it does raise the question of how cheap should supermarkets be able to sell booze, remember the pub trade is dying with this cheap alcohol local off licenses and shops can't compete and people are drinking far more at home because of it. I like most take advantage of the offers but do try and make most of my drinking a few at the local rather than 5 cans a night which costs about the same as a pint in the local these days

 

now I dont know how they do it but it must be legal (tax considerations etc) but I do know that certain boozers in my area (the weekend make a killing establishments) import cans by the container full,I would suggest that the cost to these premises is not far off supermarket loss leader stuff,these are the establishments that encourage bingeing, its not so long ago one place was offering a drink as much as you want for a tenner ( cans of lager) my experience is as much as you want ends up 6 to 10 cans then they are off to the next place, can costs 50p to the establishment so at least a fiver made per person, with a huge throughput of people is no bad business, not quite the same scale as the local pub with half a dozen playing doms and supping four pints each per night?

 

KW

Edited January 20, 2011 by kdubya