tomaddy525 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi all, after a week on the solway after the beautiful Pinks, am wondering what non-toxic goose cartriges you people use? I used a mix of Remington Wingmaster(£4.20 a shot), Hevi shot and some eley bismouth. All were in BB's apart from the hevi(3's). Just wondering what alternatives there are. I am excluding steel after taking three hits on a 40yard canada without it dying.(the carts were 42g 1's btw). I have heard good things about the Gamebore TMX. Thanks 525. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Hi, I have been using TMX on the ducks this year and they are a massive improvement on steel loads. They are expensive but on the foreshore you don't normally get too manys shots so i think cost isn't the major factor. I have got some TMX in 42g 1s incase i get under a goose, not had the chance yet but if they perform like the others i have every confidence that they will achieve a clean kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Kent Tungstun are a good shell as long as you do not have to much choke in your gun. Hevi shot used to be very good , but since the introduction of the new lighter loads i am less inpressed with it. yes sometimes it brings off a good long shot , but just as often it seems to have little effect on a goose in the 40-50 yard bracket.There is little wrong with steel out to 50 yards and long as you use the right combination of choke and shot size. As you have found 1s in steel are not man enough for geese over 40 yards. I am getting very good results with very fast 3.5 inch loads of BB and better BBB ( US size ) when used with a turkey afterchoke regulated for use with steel in BB and BBB shot size only. The choke restriction is .700 which is about full lead choke. When i have used these shells in normal steel chokes ( max 1\2 lead choke ) they have been dissapointing to say the least. To use steel successfuly you have to rethink all you learned with lead. Its a very different material and needs to be used in a different way. Any old full choke will not work or will blow your gun up. You need one built specifically for the job . Mine is a HS Undertaker choke. To illistrate its effectivness , last week a flock of pink feet passed me 45 yards off. The first I took at that range , the second at 50 yards and a third at 55 yards and to my surprise a forth bird dropped out a little further off to the last shot. Three birds were clean killed and the forth long bird while was still alive was totaly imoblised and unable to move. Use steel in the same manner as lead and you will struggle , get your chokes right , use the correct shot size and use fast shells ( 1550 fps or more ) and you will find it very effective . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Winchester Drylok 3 1/2", 1 9/16 oz number 3 steel :yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) if i point the gun in the right place bismuth 46g BBs drop the geese have dropped a few greylags pinks and canadas with them this season pricey but alot better than factory steel loads imo Edited January 25, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve0146 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I shot a lot of ducks and geese in Canada about 12 years ago with steel and had no problems at all. However, this year on my local marsh in Devon, I have experimented with different loads and had the worse season of my life for wounded birds. Some ducks had been hit well but the steel had punched straight through them without killing. I shot two geese around 25 yds away with 36grms no 1 and both recovered and flew on. Will be trying different stuff next year. As you say, some people only fire maybe a couple of boxes a year so could buy slightly more expensive shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I am getting very good results with very fast 3.5 inch loads of BB and better BBB ( US size ) when used with a turkey afterchoke regulated for use with steel in BB and BBB shot size only. The choke restriction is .700 which is about full lead choke. When i have used these shells in normal steel chokes ( max 1\2 lead choke ) they have been dissapointing to say the least. To use steel successfuly you have to rethink all you learned with lead. Its a very different material and needs to be used in a different way. Any old full choke will not work or will blow your gun up. You need one built specifically for the job . Mine is a HS Undertaker choke. To illistrate its effectivness , last week a flock of pink feet passed me 45 yards off. The first I took at that range , the second at 50 yards and a third at 55 yards and to my surprise a forth bird dropped out a little further off to the last shot. Three birds were clean killed and the forth long bird while was still alive was totaly imoblised and unable to move. Use steel in the same manner as lead and you will struggle , get your chokes right , use the correct shot size and use fast shells ( 1550 fps or more ) and you will find it very effective . Interesting to hear you use a different choke. If you dont mind me asking, how much does the HS Undertaker choke set you back? will it fit an extrema 2? Are you picking up the BBs/BBBs here or in the states? (again sorry to ask but make, weight, price? ). How does the HS choke shoot lead,(I'm guessing it preforms similar to a full choke)? And its it the equivelant of shooting steel through a full choke? Apologies for the 20 questions but I have never been that impressed with steel so very interested to hear your views! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Kent Tungstun are a good shell as long as you do not have to much choke in your gun. Hevi shot used to be very good , but since the introduction of the new lighter loads i am less inpressed with it. yes sometimes it brings off a good long shot , but just as often it seems to have little effect on a goose in the 40-50 yard bracket.There is little wrong with steel out to 50 yards and long as you use the right combination of choke and shot size. As you have found 1s in steel are not man enough for geese over 40 yards. I am getting very good results with very fast 3.5 inch loads of BB and better BBB ( US size ) when used with a turkey afterchoke regulated for use with steel in BB and BBB shot size only. The choke restriction is .700 which is about full lead choke. When i have used these shells in normal steel chokes ( max 1\2 lead choke ) they have been dissapointing to say the least. To use steel successfuly you have to rethink all you learned with lead. Its a very different material and needs to be used in a different way. Any old full choke will not work or will blow your gun up. You need one built specifically for the job . Mine is a HS Undertaker choke. To illistrate its effectivness , last week a flock of pink feet passed me 45 yards off. The first I took at that range , the second at 50 yards and a third at 55 yards and to my surprise a forth bird dropped out a little further off to the last shot. Three birds were clean killed and the forth long bird while was still alive was totaly imoblised and unable to move. Use steel in the same manner as lead and you will struggle , get your chokes right , use the correct shot size and use fast shells ( 1550 fps or more ) and you will find it very effective . for those must have long shots steel isnt the answer. i know lots of guys here would say they shot geese out to 70 yards. but ethically i wouldnt want to do that. you are very correct, any speed steel 1`s ar not man enough for 40+yards. in that range, steel is the cheapest and "an" effective alternate. shooting BBB T and F shot should really be reserved for the 10gauge. you have to totally rethink the steel option. anser2 is using his head, he got a dedicated steel choke, and the correct shotsize. going up 1 steel size is nothing compared to going up one lead size. BB, and BBB are recomended for lessers and canadas. learn from the americans they`ve been shooting it for 40+ years they must have learnt something. if the was just shooting decoyed geese then he could use BBs at 30yards. if he was to have a dedicated setup for "pass shooting geese" then tungsten is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) CZ I suggest you do a web serch for Undertaker chokes. Mine came with a browning Gold that i got second hand a few years ago and had £38.00 on the packet. I guess someone stocks them in this country , but I have not seen them here. I can tell what other guns it will fit. There are several of thisa type of after choke , you need to ensure it is made for steel and regulated for BB and BBB. I have never used lead in the choke so cant comment on its performance and I think .700 is the same as lead full choke , but tungstun pattens poorly through it , but I have always got the best out of tungsten with 1\4 or less choke. Mine is made for a Browning so you will have to check the web site for your gun. Edited January 30, 2011 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 CZ I suggest you do a web serch for Undertaker chokes. Mine came with a browning Gold that i got second hand a few years ago and had £38.00 on the packet. I guess someone stocks them in this country , but I have not seen them here. I can tell what other guns it will fit. There are several of thisa type of after choke , you need to ensure it is made for steel and regulated for BB and BBB. I have never used lead in the choke so cant comment on its performance and I think .700 is the same as lead full choke , but tungstun pattens pooly through it , but I have always got the best out of tungsten with 1\4 or less choke. Mine is made for a Browning so you will have to check the web site for your gun. Will look into it! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I had a look at a site walkers wad wizard its a american site and sells these chokes for the berreta xtrema 2 im thinking of buying one for next season for shooting steel for foreshore geese, ive home loaded itm for a old 8 bore ive been gob smacked what it does on foreshore geese with only lightly choked barrels, and only 58g of 4.00mm shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 However, this year on my local marsh in Devon, I have experimented with different loads and had the worse season of my life for wounded birds. Some ducks had been hit well but the steel had punched straight through them without killing. Interesting point. I've been using Gamebore Mammoth 3" 36g 3's and have found this a LOT. Plenty of birds have been hit hard and come down like a sack of spuds, but when I've picked them up a very high percentage are still alive. Not particularly rangey birds either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) You will not need much choke with the tungstun. I find it pattens best with 1\4 choke in my gun and the patten is pretty bad in full choke. As for the mammoths i suggest you pattern them with different chokes to get the best out of them. I shoot 2-300 of them a season and find them a good killing shell with few wounded birds. I normaly use I\C or 1\4 choke. I do get a few wounded birds when stepping up to 3.5 inch 2s for high mallard , but that load knocks down mallard as high as any lead duck shell used to and while not all are killed outright they are imoblised and few can attempt to be runners. Last week I had nine 45-50 yard teal\gadwall\pintail and wigeon for 12 shots two were still alive on being retrieved and all the others dead. one teal stopped 5 pellets. Edited January 28, 2011 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Interesting point. I've been using Gamebore Mammoth 3" 36g 3's and have found this a LOT. Plenty of birds have been hit hard and come down like a sack of spuds, but when I've picked them up a very high percentage are still alive. Not particularly rangey birds either Pootang I had that problem last season,this year I used the 3" gamebore but 32g but in 1's and there are fantastic on the duck,they kill to 40yrds easy. As for the geese 3.5 in BB have worked well for me this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Winchester Drylok 3 1/2", 1 9/16 oz number 3 steel :yes: Extrema 2 1/4 choke 3 Graylags, 1 Pink, 1 Canada & 2 Teal all 45-50 yards dead in the air :yes: Edit to say - & I do know what 45-50 yards are, unlike some ak ak gunners I have had the missfortune to have seen :/ but I did pick a couple of winngers down river of them that due to a lack of dogs/competence they had missed :blink: Edited January 29, 2011 by Tam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBL Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 ive home loaded itm for a old 8 bore ive been gob smacked what it does on foreshore geese with only lightly choked barrels, and only 58g of 4.00mm shot. Shakin - gob smacked positively I assume? I am about to use the same load in my non-choked double 8 but did have an initial fear that the lack of choke would potentially be an issue. Using plastic wads and 2oz of ITM, also 4.00mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 Yes mate! i was the happy chap with a goose, only pulled one hammer back they where a bit tall so i thought have a bang! from what ive been told itm is very good in lighty choked guns, the powder i was using is csbo 60grains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 I use remington express steel BB for geese and bismouth 3s for ducks. No problems at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy130 Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Gamebore steel 32g 3&4's for both ducks and geese, as long as they are in range there is no problem. I did buy some remmy 1's in a 36g i think this season, but i was opening up a rusted cart to render it safe for the bin and was horrified to find it a good 1/4 full of plastic balls never again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 horrified to find it a good 1/4 full of plastic balls never again!! Buffer ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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