al4x Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Possibly looking for one of these shortly, has anyone close to herts got a decent one they are looking to breed with? Needs to be registered and obviously dependant on pedigree etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 What's wrong with my horny springer ? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 where do I start as if he could reach anyway you'd have to give him a hand so to speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Possibly looking for one of these shortly, has anyone close to herts got a decent one they are looking to breed with? Needs to be registered and obviously dependant on pedigree etc Distance shouldn't come into it IMO with a wire you need the right sire, get it wrong and you will majorly regret it big time in terms of temprement (it aint all about how the sire is remember it is also the history of his line. Cant remember your bitches breeding but thinking Bryantscroft and wigmansbough off memory? For scandinavian lines try Chris Grey in Scotland, think Rory major put his bitch to Chris greys dog and think he retained a dog from the litter? might be worth a chat and see, as for Herts nothing comes to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Mine is a lovely dog and is coming on very well. His grandad is Normbar Valhalla who was best of breed at Crufts 3 times. Unfortunately he has a condition called Mascilatory Myosis. It's not hereditary but I am not sure I would want to breed from him. I would love to as he is such a good dog and has a fantastic temperament. If you go onto the versatile HPR website I am sure someone on there will be able to help you out. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Distance shouldn't come into it IMO with a wire you need the right sire, get it wrong and you will majorly regret it big time in terms of temprement (it aint all about how the sire is remember it is also the history of his line. Cant remember your bitches breeding but thinking Bryantscroft and wigmansbough off memory? For scandinavian lines try Chris Grey in Scotland, think Rory major put his bitch to Chris greys dog and think he retained a dog from the litter? might be worth a chat and see, as for Herts nothing comes to mind distance isn't the be all and end all, it was just putting the feelers out as if there was a suitable one to turn up then it would possibly be an option this time round depending how she is as she has a badly cut pad at the moment. You do need to be careful with the lines and personally I've got an excellent temperament bitch who has worked well this year and at 3 and a half its ideal now or next year. As she tends to come into season around now and then just before the season starts its this time of year I'd put her in pup. I would be looking for a similar dog so one of the smaller and less shaggy and really hard work dogs. She has Bryantscroft in her lines and its that type of dog I'd be looking for rather than the un manageable continental type that drive most people round the bend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t jack Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) without doubt Chris Grays dogs are superb hunting animals, ive competed against his dogs at both pointing tests and trials and if i was after a GWP i would look no further than Chris's stuff, hes imported his dogs from abroad (scandinavia as opposed to Germany ) and they are very classy hard hunting GWP's not too big and certainly no slouchs but very biddable and trainable at the same time! see his site here http://www.kenneltrudvang.co.uk/index1.htm edited wrong link Edited February 8, 2011 by t jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenthomas Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Mine is a lovely dog and is coming on very well. His grandad is Normbar Valhalla who was best of breed at Crufts 3 times. Unfortunately he has a condition called Mascilatory Myosis. It's not hereditary but I am not sure I would want to breed from him. I would love to as he is such a good dog and has a fantastic temperament. If you go onto the versatile HPR website I am sure someone on there will be able to help you out. Harry Hi Harry, what is this Mascilatory Myosis your dog has? I have never heard of it. I agree, temperament is paramount and research is a wonderful thing! I had someone ask to use my boy at stud last year because he looks good. I would not use him at stud if he was the last Wire on earth!! He has the most nervous temperament ever. But just shows, some would. Helen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenthomas Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Possibly looking for one of these shortly, has anyone close to herts got a decent one they are looking to breed with? Needs to be registered and obviously dependant on pedigree etc What lines are your bitch from? Helen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) Hi Helen To give you an idea the pedigree is here, not got any decent pictures at work but here was one back in the snow Edited February 9, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t jack Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi Helen To give you an idea the pedigree is here, not got any decent pictures at work but here was one back in the snow Alex, i notice your dogs gt grandsire is "the complete viking" Complete Viking, is a Danish Import, i beleive he is now in Canada. And features in many of Chris's dogs pedigrees as he is a danish import like most of chris's stuff, so if you were to use one of chris's dog's it would give you more of a chance of replicating what you already have in your bitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Interesting, think the distance would put it out this time but until you ask you never know what progeny are spread round the country. One things for sure mine came from wales, some of the pedigree came from Scotland and all over people do definitely travel both to get their wires and to stud them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t jack Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Interesting, think the distance would put it out this time but until you ask you never know what progeny are spread round the country. One things for sure mine came from wales, some of the pedigree came from Scotland and all over people do definitely travel both to get their wires and to stud them oh yes, i notice your daarn saarf perghaps a call to him and he could point you in the right direction, chris has had a really good season trialing his wires this year and been very hard to beat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 A question if I may... knowing nothing about GWP's as I do... Is there a lack of Ftch dogs in the UK? A typical spaniel pedigree would be littered with Ftw or Ftch titles... And what do you look for in from the pedigree in order to tell a good GWP from a bad one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t jack Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 A question if I may... knowing nothing about GWP's as I do... Is there a lack of Ftch dogs in the UK? A typical spaniel pedigree would be littered with Ftw or Ftch titles... And what do you look for in from the pedigree in order to tell a good GWP from a bad one? To my knowledge there has been only two FTCH GWP's made up in the Uk, there are lots more GSP FTCH's but we wont get into that but even there pedigrees are not litterd with red like trial bred labs or springers, continrntal bred HPR's do come with lots of red in the pedigree's as i suppose they are there countrys native breeds like our spaniels and labs? My own GSP has lots of red in her pedigree but she is mainly German lines, i have never seen a HPR pup in this country from a FTCH x Ftch mating, although im sure they exist they are far less common than ftchxftxh labs or spaniels Saying that there are a good few HPRs at the moment with one leg up, that should be made up to a ftch soon, the problem is they are dual purpose, ie showed and worked there isnt a split in the breed like labs and spaniels so you get people putting show champs over ftw bitch's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 A question if I may... knowing nothing about GWP's as I do... Is there a lack of Ftch dogs in the UK? A typical spaniel pedigree would be littered with Ftw or Ftch titles... And what do you look for in from the pedigree in order to tell a good GWP from a bad one? one extra issue with this is what they are used for, being a pretty versatile dog lots are used on deer with probably the minority being used for actual pointing, then you have a lot used for rough shooting that potentially if the owners were interested you could trial. Its not really a breed in the UK you buy to trial, if you want to trial you get a spanner or lab etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I've also got a dog out of the same litter as Dirty Harry's. He's coming on very well too and no sign of the condition that Dirty Harry's has got thank goodness. For temperament he's great, points and retreieves brilliantly and was born to hunt. Trouble is my wife had his testicles removed. Anyway, the owner of our dogs' dad is on here as 'Red'. He's from north east of Birmingham and may be interested - drop him a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t jack Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 one extra issue with this is what they are used for, being a pretty versatile dog lots are used on deer with probably the minority being used for actual pointing, then you have a lot used for rough shooting that potentially if the owners were interested you could trial. Its not really a breed in the UK you buy to trial, if you want to trial you get a spanner or lab etc i think also Alex, the GWP has always played second fiddle to the GSP in the UK, in terms of both numbers bred and trial success, but people like Chris Gray are slowly changing that, the GWP's are becoming increasingly successful in trials under handlers like Chris in the GSP you have people Tom Brechney who have had numerous FTCH's he has a ftch dog and bitch in his kennel as i type, but then he has been into the breed now for donkeys years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Helen, The myosis is an auto immune disease. It is not known what the cause is and it generally effects larger dogs under 2 years of age. Basically the muscles of the jaw are attacked by the body and this resulted in him not being able to open his mouh. Even under general anesthetic they could not get his mouth open. It is treated by steroids and at the moment he is on 5mg a day. If I take him off this it flares up again. I think he will have to stay on them for quite some time. Better that than him not being able to eat and drink. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenthomas Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Helen, The myosis is an auto immune disease. It is not known what the cause is and it generally effects larger dogs under 2 years of age. Basically the muscles of the jaw are attacked by the body and this resulted in him not being able to open his mouh. Even under general anesthetic they could not get his mouth open. It is treated by steroids and at the moment he is on 5mg a day. If I take him off this it flares up again. I think he will have to stay on them for quite some time. Better that than him not being able to eat and drink. Harry Thanks for that Harry, I remember reading about it now on the Versatile HPR site. Sounds awful. Does he get any side affects from the steroids at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 A bit of hair loss maybe. A bit thin in places bit that's not really a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helenthomas Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 My bitch has to take them, and boy can she wee for England!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 I know what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 10, 2011 Report Share Posted February 10, 2011 (edited) distance isn't the be all and end all, it was just putting the feelers out as if there was a suitable one to turn up then it would possibly be an option this time round depending how she is as she has a badly cut pad at the moment. You do need to be careful with the lines and personally I've got an excellent temperament bitch who has worked well this year and at 3 and a half its ideal now or next year. As she tends to come into season around now and then just before the season starts its this time of year I'd put her in pup. I would be looking for a similar dog so one of the smaller and less shaggy and really hard work dogs. She has Bryantscroft in her lines and its that type of dog I'd be looking for rather than the un manageable continental type that drive most people round the bend just watch you don't go too far away from the origins of the breed, a step too far down the bryantscroft or English lines might be equally as bad or worse, the man in question was selling a fully trained but not interested bitch of his when i was last up as a pet only. My dog has certainly stretched me, but you seriously can't fault him as regards hunting drive, pointing, nose and the general toughness and stamina required for the work of the GWP. What i would personally hate to see is the breed taken into another realm in the UK, we do still need the Hairy Crocodiles and there is always the wirehaired Visla etc. for those who want something a little closer hunting with less stuborn, pigheaded aggresion on tap. The breed is what it is because of the selection process in Germany and that came into being for reason, although i do appreciate the differing requirements of the UK hunter Edited February 10, 2011 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 just watch you don't go too far away from the origins of the breed, a step too far down the bryantscroft or English lines might be equally as bad or worse, the man in question was selling a fully trained but not interested bitch of his when i was last up as a pet only. My dog has certainly stretched me, but you seriously can't fault him as regards hunting drive, pointing, nose and the general toughness and stamina required for the work of the GWP. What i would personally hate to see is the breed taken into another realm in the UK, we do still need the Hairy Crocodiles and there is always the wirehaired Visla etc. for those who want something a little closer hunting with less stuborn, pigheaded aggresion on tap. The breed is what it is because of the selection process in Germany and that came into being for reason, although i do appreciate the differing requirements of the UK hunter one thing is for sure mine is far from not interested in game to the point when the spaniels on our shoot have run out of go she is well up for it so though the lines may be easier and smaller they don't lack anything on the shooting field. Or thats my experience with mine so far and the occasional nastiness with the really german dogs isn't apparent in her. She is an ideal shooting and believe it or not house dog being very good inside and with children. Your type is ok if you want a kennel dog that is particularly hardcore but the fact you need a lab as well is the difference. Its upbringing as well mine has always sat on the back seat of the truck quietly while lamping and indeed been on a shooting field from fairly young so will sit on peg if she has to. Doesn't like it all day and prefers walked up and beating but can do it, no issues with pointing or indeed stamina and will take on anything we come across given the chance, though a seasons beating has had its moments squaring up to a particularly large fallow buck when it tried to run through the line had me thinking the outcome wouldn't be good but she did as she was told and it went over the top of her. Only has to go after one wounded fox so far and that came back dead and yet she isn't too bad retrieving game. I try to mostly put her on dead game so far but she has been a slow learner on retrieving partly my fault and partly her not wanting any part of anything that hasn't been alive. yes they may be a little away from the true crocodile type monsters but from my experience the hunting drive is well and truly still there in mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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