CharlieT Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 While I see Al4x's point about firearms being made Sec 2 I feel that it should be that ALL guns go on one licence. If you have an FAC and have permission to own a particular calibre why should you have to do a variation if you fancy a diffent make or action type? They are free anyway and I have never heard of one being refused so as long as you only own the ammount of guns/moderators you have slots for I don't see why you shouldn't be able to swap them as you like. The table 1/2 on the back of your certificate would show what you have anyway and once the police are notified you have disposed of/ acquired a new gun then they would know if you have over your allowance. That would stop anyone buying what they couldn't have. It would also cut down the ammount of paperwork the police have to do and the revenue would be the same as I bet most people who have both tickets are co terminous so only pay £50 anyway. Mr. MC The question of 1 for 1 same calibre swaps without the need for a formal variation application has and is being discussed by the ACPO FELWG who seem to be looking kindly on the idea. Watch this space !! C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 11, 2011 Report Share Posted February 11, 2011 It will be a sad day indeed if we lose Section 2 firearms, as its the last remnant of a 'right to arms' - i.e. that the burdon of proof is on the authorities to show you shouldn't have the firearm Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 yes what happened to our right to arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 yes what happened to our right to arms. Did we ever have a 'right' to arms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Did we ever have a 'right' to arms? Yep, it was in the English Bill of Rights 1689, ironically the yanks copied ours, but they had the sense to write it down in an 'official' format. It's sad to think that a RIGHT is only instilled by a piece of paper and that a government can take any right away it chooses because of that. What's worse is that we accept it so readily, whether it's a right of arms to defend ourselves, right to trial by jury or a right against chargless/unlawful detention Mark Edited February 12, 2011 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Yep, it was in the English Bill of Rights 1689, ironically the yanks copied ours, but they had the sense to write it down in an 'official' format. It's sad to think that a RIGHT is only instilled by a piece of paper and that a government can take any right away it chooses because of that. What's worse is that we accept it so readily, whether it's a right of arms to defend ourselves, right to trial by jury or a right against chargless/unlawful detention Mark That's not a right to bear arms as such. It just allowed protestants, who had been previously banned from carrying arms, to carry weapons again. I don't really think we can rely on a 322 year old piece of 'legislation' to defend our 'right to bear arms'. Things were very, very different in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Politicians still use that Bill of Rights to this day don't they,in the house of commons?Doesn't it ensure they have the freedom of speech they need to debate matters?As far as I'm aware,the 1689 Bill of Rights has never been repealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted February 14, 2011 Report Share Posted February 14, 2011 (edited) Poontang, an even older piece of legislation is occasionally used by the police, Blemish of the peace Act, 1346. Anyone who quotes modern times have made such laws obsolete needs to think again. The town and police clauses act of 1847 is also one in widespread use today...Councils use it for road closures amongst other things. Dont write of these old laws because the law enforcers certainly have not. PS.......anyone wishing to check up on some of these old laws, splash out a few quid and buy a copy of Moriartys Police Law....or Butterworths I believe it is now..(its a long time since I used it) Edited February 14, 2011 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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