leeboy Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Has anyone ever tried American turkey chokes like extra full and super full ? Are they any good or are they just a gimmick? I'm assuming that they are only any good with smaller shot sizes. The yanks seem to love them but I've not seen them anywhere over here. If you use them or have used them, what were you shooting at ? Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) They recomend if it's for a semi to get shorter barrels i beleive. Least thats what it says on MY paperwork for the Semi they have shorter barrels specifically for turkey LG Edited March 17, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Extra full and super full? Whatever for? You may as well try hitting a flying pigeon with an air rifle. If you can't get a bird within 40yds then don't bother shooting at it. I shoot with very open chokes and 9 times out of 10 the birds I shoot are killed instantly. I have had my fair share of wingers the same as everyone. I don't see the need for tight chokes and with them being that tight whatever you shot wouldn't be worth eating, it would be too full of shot. Cheers MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Well that logic certainly is american, if the turkey is on the ground and you sit in a hide and call them in, and shoot them with large pellets why oh why do you need tight chokes? I would have thought a AAA shot through a cylinder choke would carry enough energy to kill at 50yds. Cheers MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 (edited) They shoot the Turkeys in the head and neck where they need a tight pattern. Winchester xx 2.25oz copper coated 4's are an American Turkey load we use in the UK for goose shooting. They aren't a particularly fast load but for Turkeys they don't have to be fast, it's a trade off between pattern and penetration. I use .675" Terror chokes (extra full) for fast steel shot (1600fps) where the **** gets blown out of the pattern with open chokes due to the speed. These specially designed tight chokes are made of very strong tempered steel and have a long forcing cone so can be used with any size steel shot or Hevishot. The .700" patterns great with clearpigeon 6's for shooting crows! Mark. Edited March 17, 2006 by M ROBSON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I bought one when I was over in Michigan last year. It's about 3.5" long, so is a gradual taper. It was one of those kid in a toyshop, must have one cos it's so cheap type of purchases. If I ever get around to using it, I will let you know how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Is copper coated shot classed as non toxic? or has that law not been enforced in Scotland yet? Every box of steel shot that I have used in the last few years has had on it not to use anything tighter than 1/2 choke, this is because the shot doesn't deform or compress and could (possibly) get stuck in the choke. Unlikely I know but possible. Cheers MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeboy Posted March 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have to agree that I cant really see the need for such tight chokes, not in the uk anyway. I would be interested to see how they perform with mag BBs for charlie. I'd be inclined to buy some If they were effective.In the mean time I'll stick with 1/4+3/4 which is possibly too much for alot of scenarios cos I dont want to ****** about with chokes too much until I'm a good enough shot to appreciate the difference chokes can make. ref the steel shot, the chokes on my silver pigeon 3 are only proofed for steel up to modified/half, im and full are not. I have little personal experience with steel shot but I've been told by many that it patterns more tightly than lead due to not deforming in the bore. Is it safe to assume that chokes that are proofed for steel are ok to use with hevishot and other non toxic loads ? Leeboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Could be nice for Squirell and Rabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 Martin, Nickle and copper plated shot do NOT count as non-toxic. The plating wears off in the birds gizzard. We can still use lead on non wetland areas for wildfowl in Scotland. this is because the shot doesn't deform or compress and could (possibly) get stuck in the choke It's more likely to blow the choke off!!! In old fixed choke and non steel proofed multichoke guns you should not use tighter than 1/2. I mentioned in my post that these speciallist aftermarket chokes are made from extremely hard steel and are designed in a way that they are capable of taking steel shot and Hevishot. The reason that these chokes are needed is SPEED. In the UK due to CIP pressure regulation we can't buy FAST steel cartridges. In the USA they can and homeloaders (like me) can load them fast in the UK, you just can't buy them. It has been proven that fast steel performs much better but the problem with this is the pattern starts to blow out, hence the specialist tight chokes. Foxes don't like them either! Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I have seen them used to shoot tukeys. As has been said, the turkeys are shot in the head and neck, at ranges usually well below 30 yards and they are still at the time of the shot. These chokes are fine for what they are intended for, but I see no use for them in any shooting we do in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 mark what kind of patterns are you getting at 40-50 yards with hevi- shot and that choke combination? just that iam looking for a new load for the geese as not happy with the bismuth in the 3 1/2 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graysclassics Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 They shoot the Turkeys in the head and neck where they need a tight pattern. Winchester xx 2.25oz copper coated 4's are an American Turkey load we use in the UK for goose shooting. They aren't a particularly fast load but for Turkeys they don't have to be fast, it's a trade off between pattern and penetration. I use .675" Terror chokes (extra full) for fast steel shot (1600fps) where the **** gets blown out of the pattern with open chokes due to the speed. These specially designed tight chokes are made of very strong tempered steel and have a long forcing cone so can be used with any size steel shot or Hevishot. The .700" patterns great with clearpigeon 6's for shooting crows! :thumbs: Mark. Best thing for a Crow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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