Boromir Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Shootemup I agree with the banning of advertising of alcohol, but there is a tax on alcohol as well in pubs anyway, its the young generation of today probably in the last 40 years is you have to get ratarsed to have a good time. Smoking cigarettes is a long term habit that gradually deteriats(spelling) yours health how many athletes do you see in the olympics that smoke? Not many I guess. I'm not saying that the tax on cigs is fair I'm disagreeing with the people who say they don't put more strain on the nhs than non smokers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) I was always under the impression that obesity & alcohol related diseases were the biggest drain on the NHS? Lets tax fatties Edited April 3, 2011 by Devon Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I Have known seven people who have died of lung cancer and non of them smoked at any time in their lives, or lived in a house where ppeople smoked. One thing they all seemed to come into contact with was either asbestos or worked in garages breathing diesel fumes! So I do not believe the government statistics at re smoking causing all of it, in fact I think that all alcohol advertising should be banned and the public view of these products in shops should also be banned! How can it be right to allow this seriously dangerous drug to be pushed at people every time they go into shops? You ask any A&E Nurse, Paramedic or Doctor which people take up most of their time and they will all tell you it is those ****** that are ratted and not the smokers with symptoms allegedly caused by their habit! How many times does smoking cause the breakdown of law and order? How many times does smoking cause the complete destruction of a family? How many hours of police time is taken up dealing with drink drivers and the aprehansion of them? I could go on and I am sure that others could add to the list also but I am basing my facts on real life in the real world not off so called government stats that can and are changed to show what "THEY " want I Have a lot of contact with healthcare professionals and they all say the same. OK Tin Hat on and taking cover so you believe your series of two people is more accurate than government statistics, as for saying all health care professionals agree with you, come on join the real world... any health care professional that says smoking is good for you or doesn't damage your health should be given a big swerve if requiring treatment. as for alcoholics drunks taking up more time than smokers, you will find in the A&E room that is correct (a small part of the NHS)but in terms of cost you are again wrong. I am afraid you have your head in the sand if you really believe what you have written Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I was always under the impression that obesity & alcohol related diseases were the biggest drain on the NHS? Lets tax fatties They do cause a huge expense to the NHS and I would be betting that they will be penalised with the coming cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Missed Again Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Well, after reading all the smokers views I am going to change my habits. I am totally convinced spending a fortune by putting a rolled up plant leave in my mouth setting fire to it, drawing the smoke into my lungs and then blowing it out is good for me. Yeah right. Read it smokers, go on read it and please tell me how good it is for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I think that you should show the government that they cant mess with you-only buy a packet of fags every time you fill up with 140ltrs of fuel. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Well, after reading all the smokers views I am going to change my habits. I am totally convinced spending a fortune by putting a rolled up plant leave in my mouth setting fire to it, drawing the smoke into my lungs and then blowing it out is good for me. Yeah right. Read it smokers, go on read it and please tell me how good it is for me. I must have misread some of the replies ! who and where did it say smokeing was good for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeNextTime Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 If I remember rightly actually smokers are less of a drain on the tax coffers than non-smokers. Most people lean heaviest on the NHS when they get old. This is also when they claim the state pension, bus pass etc. Most smokers don't get to be old so barely scratch their pensions. Most smokers also die quite quickly of emphysema rather than dragging it out for years with a hip here and a knee there. You'll have to look up the figures yourself but I'm pretty sure if goes like; NHS total cost................. £100 billion Treating smoking diseases.......£2 billion Tax revenues from fags..........£10 billion Best bet is to quit and let some other mug pay for the NHS :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJon Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I wonder in countries with private health care what the extra cost of health care premiums is for smokers per year? 10% ? More? No more? Anyone with experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaguar Warrior Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 Deny essex, I'm banging my head on the same wall as you on this one, mate. I don't think you ever said it. Most posters just aren't reading your posts properly. Imagine we are in the dock and they are the jury. They would be blaming us for El Nino too. LOL At least Doc Holliday read your post...the rest probably just the previous post. Too much bother to pick up the mouse and go back a page........ Its really sad, but the greeks sussed out logic 2 1/2 thousand years ago. Now its almost forgotten. :unsure: JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 I'm afraid I would solidly dispute that statement. There are more non-smokers than smokers and plenty of long-term heavy drinkers which would utilise the NHS equally, if not more than smokers. It is not a foregone conclusion that everyone who smokes uses the NHS heavily. I have smoked for years and can count on one hand the amount of times I have even been to see the doctor, whereas my wife who has asthma and skin conditions uses the NHS at least twice a month. My daughter has just finished her third week of Placement at Southmead Hospital in the IC unit and the majority of hopless cases are caused by Smoking related diseases like LC, Emphysema and CPD...so I would beg to differ on that Statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 If the public knew just how many health problems directly or indirectly result from smoking (I include passive smoking here) and just how much this costs to the tax payer either for NHS treatments or for care, then there would be massive support for heavier taxation on tobacco. The same goes for alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeNextTime Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 My daughter has just finished her third week of Placement at Southmead Hospital in the IC unit and the majority of hopless cases are caused by Smoking related diseases like LC, Emphysema and CPD...so I would beg to differ on that Statement. Yes, hopeless and therefore cheap as they'll soon be dead. Dead as in not claiming a pension or slowly falling apart. The economics is blunt; the government makes a nett gain out of smoking. I stopped years ago and if everyone else followed suit the government would have to find an extra £10 billion to plug the gap in tax revenues which is something like £500 per year for every worker in the country. I suspect the tax on tobacco is a juggling act between stamping it out and being a nice little earner that no one votes against. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 Some figures: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8086142.stm http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/ Still think it is best not to smoke, must be a horrible end for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted April 4, 2011 Report Share Posted April 4, 2011 gotta have a ciggy after reading through 3 pages, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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