marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Having only really shot pigeons on my own or with dad I have now brought into a syndicate, I have shot on the odd day and a beaters day with them, they have never asked if I have insurance and also can go pigeon shooting any time on the land, what Im asking is should I get insurance? Might sound like a dumb question and I think you will all say yes, I just wondered what opinions you have and if BASC is better than Countryside alliance. Thanks in advance. PS I purchased a couple of shotguns in March and have been really naugthy in not sending a letter to the police, rather a lot was going on at the time, if I send notification now will it cause problems? They came from an auction and my cert was filled and stamped by the auction house so I assume they will have let the appropriate authoritys know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) cut a long story short.....yes its always better to have insurance no matter how safe or experienced you are! so get on the phone and get covered. i would say basc is your best bet it doesnt matter what part of the country you are in you have to notify the police within 7 days of getting a new gun!! well lets just say your a bit late Edited May 8, 2011 by semiautolee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 in norfolk you should notify them in 7 days of a new gun . as for insurance .............. would you drive with out it ? its comman sense to have it , just incase . accidents can happen , although it was a stone , it could have been a stray shot , but it was still two grand for a new windscreen in the beetharvester at our farm. would you have that cash to pacify the owner ? simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Thanks for the replies chaps I was leaning towards BASC anyway, I will get a letter together for the new shotguns, I hope its not a reason to revoke my licence because I didn,t let them know soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the replies chaps I was leaning towards BASC anyway, I will get a letter together for the new shotguns, I hope its not a reason to revoke my licence because I didn,t let them know soon enough. basc are great to be covered with i think you might get a whisper in your ear off them about not notifying them as soon as the guns wer on your licence Edited May 8, 2011 by semiautolee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie mac Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Its always best to have insurance,do a search on here for insurance, then sit back and you will get all the opinions you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Really worried now Do you think they wil revoke my licence for not letting them know straight way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiautolee Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 if they have no record of the guns you got from auction house.........then you could be in trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Really worried now Do you think they wil revoke my licence for not letting them know straight way? two options; contact them now by phone telling them, then whatever they say, get the letter in the post as the follow up or phone them saying you sent a letter in to them a while back, but as you havent recieved any feedback from them, your just checking they have the info, swear blind you sent it in future always inform them on day of purchase/selling, mine accepts a simple e mail with details yup, alot of people will drive without insurance, but it's really not worth it when using guns, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 This is exactly what I wrote in the other "insurance " post next to this one.... no apology for repeating myself. ***** I joined BASC and only part of the reason was for insurance. There are much cheaper ways of getting insurance than by joining BASC but when push comes to shove the thing that you really need is speedy advice and some recognised clout from an organisation that has the resources to help you. I have emailed BASC a few times with various questions or comments and they have always replied very quickly indeed and in a very informed way. I am confident that if I needed their support over a typical day to day matter they would provide it. The need to claim on insurance is, hopefully, a very unlikely one. The need for advice if I have a problem with the police or members of the public over shooting matters is much more likely. ***** You now have a problem of "failure to notify" which is exactly why it helps to be able to give BASC a quick ring and seek their advice before you contact the police. If all you had was a cheap insurance policy do you really think your insurers would offer any advice - not a chance. In my humble opinion, come clean, be honest with the police, eat humble pie, apologise for the delay, plead ignorance, say you thought the auction house was informing them (they probably have) and that now you know better. It is hardly a capital offence. Assuming the police have already been informed that you have the extra shotguns, they are probably placing bets among themselves over how many days it takes you to come clean get in there quick and tell them before they turn up and tell you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Does anybody know if its actually grounds for loosing your licence though, im pooing myself now, have telephoned the firearms office and left a message telling them the serial numbers and also that there will be a letter in the post monday, really worried and need my mind put at rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Anybody? Im getting myself more worked up by the min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 I personally would'nt worry too much about it, you will not be the first or the last to have been a bit tardy getting the correct notification to them on time, hopefully they will have the opinion thats it is better late than never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Thanks Scolopax that has reassured me a bit, I love my sport and would hate to loose it for an oversite, even though the guns have been stored in the correct way and everything else is above board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 I doubt if they will revoke your licence if you explain your reasons and be honest,but would imagine you're still due for a b*llocking regardless so start puckering up for some serious a$$ kissing. Go for the organisation which helps protect us-BASC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmitemania Posted May 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Thanks chaps it was a genuine oversite, the auction finished at around nine in the evening, I then had to que to paywhich took around 1/2 an hour and then travel home, by the time the guns were in the safe it was around 11 at night and thats where they stayed for the next week, in the meantime I had forgot about informing the police, is this a good enough excuse, I also had a lot going on at the time which was playing on my mind and was connected with the police but not myself or my wife in trouble, I hope they understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 I agree, the procedure is that both buyer and seller notify local FLO within 7 days(don't know how auction houses do it, but some RFD's print out you just sign and send, or there is a paper form, some allow Email some dont some like emails and a follow up letter/form) to have details entered in to national computer, if you left it to renewal time you could be in deep do doo but there occasional mistakes made which is why at renewal they do a quick audit of guns held against your certificate and the computer records. I agree as a Game/pigeon shooter BASC the way to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winchester12 Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 I wouldnt worry too much. I bought a new gun last year and sent in the paper work. I called them a couple of weeks later to make sure they got it and they said they had no idea because they had a 3 month back log!! There are a load of ***** on here who will have you believe you'll be jailed for it and every anti in town will use it as ammunition to have shooting banned. Ignore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 two options; contact them now by phone telling them, then whatever they say, get the letter in the post as the follow up or phone them saying you sent a letter in to them a while back, but as you havent recieved any feedback from them, your just checking they have the info, swear blind you sent it in future always inform them on day of purchase/selling, mine accepts a simple e mail with details yup, alot of people will drive without insurance, but it's really not worth it when using guns, You're a complete numpty. Do you want this man to go to jail... Do you realise that you are to send each letter via RECORDED DELIVERY there is a reason for this... So situations like "oh I promise I sent it" never arise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 You're a complete numpty. Do you want this man to go to jail... Do you realise that you are to send each letter via RECORDED DELIVERY there is a reason for this... So situations like "oh I promise I sent it" never arise. well, just shows you, YOU DONT KNOW EVERYTHING IN LIFE MATEY, as here in essex, our FAO, is happy with a simple e mail, I have never sent any letters,recorded or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Recorded is ideal (only proves you sent them an envelope) but not a legal requirement IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Stubby I don't want to argue but why not just stay safe and have no problems.. No... I don't know everything. Like HDAV said It may not be a legal requirement but, in my mind it may as well be! It costs next to nothing and saves a heck of a lot of possible problems. Wheather your FLO minds or not, It's written on your license to send with in 7 days of purchase details of your gun via recorded. Simple as. What happens if I buy or sell a shotgun or firearm? You must show your certificate to the person who is giving or selling the shotgun to you. The seller will need to complete table two, which is on the back of your certificate. Once table two is complete, the gun is now ‘on the certificate’ and the certificate does not need to be returned to the police. However, both you and the person selling or giving the gun must notify the Firearm Services Unit, of the transaction in writing. Please complete the appropriate column of the Firearm Gun Transaction Notification form or write to us with full details of the shotgun and the details of both parties involved. Notifications should be sent by Recorded Delivery or Registered Post within seven days to. Edited May 8, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Apparently things are changing and email is becoming accepted by firearms units for all sorts of communications but letters by recorded delivery are still sensible in certain circumstances. Looking at my own Firearms Certificate (not shotgun) in one section it states: "... you must inform the chief officer of police who issued this certificate within 7 days about the transaction by registered post or recorded delivery." ("within 7 days" is in bold type on the cert.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) You're a complete numpty. Do you want this man to go to jail... Do you realise that you are to send each letter via RECORDED DELIVERY there is a reason for this... So situations like "oh I promise I sent it" never arise. when you're a little older Beretta you'll realise some people know what they are talking about. In this case you either tell the truth or you do as Stubby advised. I'd do as Stubby advised and not make a fuss about it, the simple reasoning is that generally Firearms departments live in dis array and also that the reason both the buyer and seller are obliged to notify is the depts think if they get two records then odds are they will at least get one of them Its a tap on the wrist offence if they find at renewal you have a gun that they haven't been notified of and they can't prove you didn't notify by post, so in the real world they then just get the records right. I had an auto and went through three renewals with the barrel number rather than the action number listed and every time they were going to sort it out and took till the last one for it to happen. With this sale being from an auction house they will have notified fine and the guns will be on the system as on your ticket and also written on. Its a panic about nothing Edited May 9, 2011 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Apparently things are changing and email is becoming accepted by firearms units for all sorts of communications but letters by recorded delivery are still sensible in certain circumstances. Looking at my own Firearms Certificate (not shotgun) in one section it states: "... you must inform the chief officer of police who issued this certificate within 7 days about the transaction by registered post or recorded delivery." ("within 7 days" is in bold type on the cert.). Al4x, read this, It's not just me who can read what is written on a certificate. When I get a bit older? Grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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