Hunter Gatherer Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) Which one do you think would be most effective on a .223REM? ? The mods that are listed were chosen after the distributors assured me that these were the most effective in their range('s). I have whittled the choice down to these three mods, as i dont fancy one of the BR tuote's (T8/T4) rusting after a few thousand rounds :o . Thanks alot HG --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edit: Another, more founded reason that i excluded the T8 and T4 moderators is that jackson rifles informed me that the ASE was "our quietest and most advanced suppressor for 223 Rem rifles." which would suggest that the ASE is more efficient than the T8 Edited March 30, 2006 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) I have whittled the choice down to these three mods, as i dont fancy one of the BR tuote's (T8/T4) rusting after a few thousand rounds :o . where is fister i wont vote, wouldnt have any of those, would have the t4 (if only it would fit on my barrel) the ase's are very nice, but dont have a long shroud, so extend the length of your gun by alot. Edited March 30, 2006 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hg I haven't voted as I have the T8 and I would'nt hesitate buying another . A few thousand rds is alot for Ctr fire in a short time period and as for rust it depends on how you maintain and look after them.Fisters as had several thousand rds of 22/250 through it and it would be interesting to see an example of another Mod with similar usage :o I have seen a photo of a barrel M/Cd to take the Ultra and there is a lot of material removed as well as the threading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Sorry but T8 for me, use it on my .222&.270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 so so far thats 3 votes for the reflex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) Mistake Edited March 30, 2006 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 (edited) i wont vote, wouldnt have any of those, would have the t4 (if only it would fit on my barrel) the ase's are very nice, but dont have a long shroud, so extend the length of your gun by alot. I haven't voted as I have the T8 and I would'nt hesitate buying another . A few thousand rds is alot for Ctr fire in a short time period and as for rust it depends on how you maintain and look after them.Fisters as had several thousand rds of 22/250 through it and it would be interesting to see an example of another Mod with similar usage I have seen a photo of a barrel M/Cd to take the Ultra and there is a lot of material removed as well as the threading Sorry but T8 for me, use it on my .222&.270 Please see "Edit" on the first post. Cheers HG Edited March 30, 2006 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I thought this was a poll to vote on getting rid of either Cranners or Henry D..?? Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Shall I get me coat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Edit: Another, more founded reason that i excluded the T8 and T4 moderators is that jackson rifles informed me that the ASE was "our quietest and most advanced suppressor for 223 Rem rifles." which would suggest that the ASE is more efficient than the T8 Hg I strongly advise you to do a search on the net for details showing a M/Cd Barrel ready to take the Ultra No Matter how good I would never have one fitted ............At least with PES and Wildcat you can put a muzzle cap back on after the mod is removed . If you've been put off the reflex series and choose to ignor opinions of users then go for the PES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I strongly advise you to do a search on the net for details showing a M/Cd Barrel ready to take the Ultra I have seen a barrel that has been screwcut for an ultra in magazines before, so i know what your talking about. But i am more interested in the efficiency of the moderator than what thread it has although yours is a valid point. If you've been put off the reflex series and choose to ignor opinions of users then go for the PES I also choose to overlook the T8 and T4 moderators because i am more interested in the efficiency of the moderator than the popularity. Do you have any experience with the PES? Thanks HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Do you have any experience with the PES? Thanks HG Stuartp has a pes and rates them ...............Now I'm only going on the opinions of two gunsmiths in my area and niether will fit Widcat due to problems with alignment ........Although Tommy Trucker now has two of these so who knows . What do you mean by efficiency as Your only containing the muzzle blast .My suggestion is see if you can see these mods in action as £280 is alot of dollar to waste if the cheaper ones are just as good . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted March 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 What do you mean by efficiency as Your only containing the muzzle blast I mean weight/length VS noise reduction. My suggestion is see if you can see these mods in action as £280 is alot of dollar to waste if the cheaper ones are just as good . Thats why i have asked on here, as not many people bother down here, and those who do just buy whatever the shop can get or what is cheapest! so i thought i would ask the opinion of those who had seen/heard these mods in action. Cherrs HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 I also choose to overlook the T8 and T4 moderators because i am more interested in the efficiency of the moderator than the popularity. Hg The reason they are popular is because they are bloody good with a Proven track record . Alas ...........I have no experience of comparisons . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Now I'm only going on the opinions of two gunsmiths in my area and niether will fit Widcat due to problems with alignment ........Although Tommy Trucker now has two of these so who knows . I believe that the alleged problems with Wildcat alignment are supposed to occur when you unscrew the whole moderator from the rifle, clean and replace it. I have one fitted to my .243 steyr SSG and I just unscrew the front cap from the moderator, the "can" then comes straight off and just leaves the baffle section attached to the rifle barrel. It's dead easy to clean and replace it and does not have any effect on the sighting of the rifle. I read lots of posts on this forum before making the decision on which moderator to buy and I am still very pleased with my choice. I vote for wildcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 wouldnt have any of those, would have the t4 Nick, i was going to go for the T4 for my .223, but got informed by a rifle smith that a T8 is better and safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antuk99 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I voted PES but only because there were no T8 i have a T4 on my .17 and after each session i take it off blow through it & a sqirt of wd40 ok if you look after them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 We've directly (i.e. next to each other) compared the T8 on my .243 to the PES and Wildcat on some shooting pals .243's, and even though the moderation difference wasn't massive, the T8 was quieter. So much so that I am having another T8 for my .270. One things I have found, is that I always remove the T8 after a shooting session, and the POA never changes when I replace it for the next shooting session. Not sure if it's the same for the other Mods, but it's an important factor for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Most people will vote (if they could) for the T4/T8, but mainly beacuse they are the 'default' mod, 200+ quid is lot to spend on anything so most people follow the crowd... I have a Stainless T12 PES and apart from the weight it is faultless, the only reason that is noticable is beacuse it is on the end of a CZ which weighs less than my .22! That will be rectified when (if) I sort my new stock out..... I don't clean it/oil it /do anything to it becuase I don't need to. The last thing I want to be doing when I get back from shooting is taking my mod off and swaddling it in rustproof paper or giving it a squirt of oil, that may or may not through the first shot off next time I use it I have shot it along side my mates AR15 (both .223's) with a T8 on and there is no noticeable difference in sound. Incedentl, he owns both and rates PES's above Reflex's so only went with the T8 on that gun as it suits it better. You could do what I did, and ask a riflesmith who sells all 3 whet they think, that may answer a lot of qustions for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 wouldnt have any of those, would have the t4 Nick, i was going to go for the T4 for my .223, but got informed by a rifle smith that a T8 is better and safer. yes its also alot heavier seen t4's used on .223's and .222's for years without problem, so that dosent bother me too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 I have just about decided to go for a PES now, although the Wildcat was a very close second and i think i dismissed it due to a lack of information and reveiws. Opinions still welcome!! Cheers HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Had a look at the Wildcat today, and it was very well made but unbelievably heavy. The T8 was much lighter and actually looked better when fitted on a rifle, so I am still trying to make my mind up. I can get the T8 for £199 and the Wildcat for £245, which seems to be a good price from what I can see on here. The wildcat does seem to be better made though AND it is strippable. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 wouldnt have any of those, would have the t4 Nick, i was going to go for the T4 for my .223, but got informed by a rifle smith that a T8 is better and safer. Frank If you go for reflex check that it is stamped for .30 CAL AND NOT .25 CAL on the rear so you've got the option of transfering it on to a larger calibre should you desire Unlike myself :o :*) :( :< The value from learning from other peoples **** ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 BTW for a .223 the wildcat 200 is the correct size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Had a look at the Wildcat today, and it was very well made but unbelievably heavy. The T8 was much lighter and actually looked better when fitted on a rifle, so I am still trying to make my mind up. I can get the T8 for £199 and the Wildcat for £245, which seems to be a good price from what I can see on here. The wildcat does seem to be better made though AND it is strippable. G.M. The PES would be about £220 GM and strippable - without the shift in zero, why not have alook at one of those? I don't work for Julian Savory by the way There are some pics of mine in the photo section somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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