ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 There's a rookery on a neighbouring farm to one of my permission's. It's about 500 yards from field's i can shoot. What will be the best way to tempt them over? I,ve just ordered some FUD decoy's will i set these out or will a owl or falcon decoy work best? I read someone on here using sliced bread with there decoy's i might give this a try 1st. Any sugestions welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsoldier Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 There's a rookery on a neighbouring farm to one of my permission's. It's about 500 yards from field's i can shoot. What will be the best way to tempt them over? I,ve just ordered some FUD decoy's will i set these out or will a owl or falcon decoy work best? I read someone on here using sliced bread with there decoy's i might give this a try 1st. Any sugestions welcome If you need any help shooting them got plenty of time on my hands Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 If you need any help shooting them got plenty of time on my hands Andy Sorry andy i'm on a syndicate shoot. I bring a mate who do's some beating in the game season but they are not keen on me inviting anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 rooks are not that bad a bird unless they are on crops( that can't be the case coz you want to know how to draw them onto your patch), tending to do more harm than good by removing harmfull insects and breaking up the droppings of any stock (good reason not to eat them imo). If they are not even on your patch i fail to see how you can be complying with the terms of general licence in any respect?. If we constantly disregard this act it will be replaced with something much more tiresome for us all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 rooks are not that bad a bird unless they are on crops( that can't be the case coz you want to know how to draw them onto your patch), tending to do more harm than good by removing harmfull insects and breaking up the droppings of any stock (good reason not to eat them imo). If they are not even on your patch i fail to see how you can be complying with the terms of general licence in any respect?. If we constantly disregard this act it will be replaced with something much more tiresome for us all Took the words right out of my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 So do rook's not raid nest's for egg's like other corvid's as we have pheasants and partridge and duck's nesting on our land now. Will this not be reason enough to decoy them. I'll have to read the general licience again as i'm fairly new to all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Can you not enquire with the neighbouring landowner to see if they'd like you to thin the population of rooks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Can you not enquire with the neighbouring landowner to see if they'd like you to thin the population of rooks? I have tried but the farmer said he has lad's who shoot there already, only pigeon's i think. There's hundred's of rook's in one small copse. Well i think they are rook's as they are nesting together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have tried but the farmer said he has lad's who shoot there already, only pigeon's i think. There's hundred's of rook's in one small copse. Well i think they are rook's as they are nesting together. have you got a phone number for the farmer? if so, every time your out and see flocks of whatever, phone him and simply say, if your guys are about, get them on so and so field as its being hammered, it worked for me, having asked for permission, but refussed because he already had guys on the pigeon, I simply texted him every time I was out on the rabbits and saw big flocks, as a night worker I was out most days, by the 4th or 5th text over consecutive days, he texted back giving me full permission on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumsoldier Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Sorry andy i'm on a syndicate shoot. I bring a mate who do's some beating in the game season but they are not keen on me inviting anyone else. No probs mate as they say ya get nothing if ya dont ask,saying that kep me in mind if theres a place in the syndicate comes up for grabs,just live in Murton and know quite a few lads who are in syndicates around Seaton area and lads who are in the Firebrigade etc. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 No probs mate as they say ya get nothing if ya dont ask,saying that kep me in mind if theres a place in the syndicate comes up for grabs,just live in Murton and know quite a few lads who are in syndicates around Seaton area and lads who are in the Firebrigade etc. Andy There's just been 5 place's filled on the shoot, because a few dropped out. Iv'e been beating on there for 4 year's prior to joining they gave me permission to shoot with my air rifle. You could try this if you fancy some beating and you know someone from the burdon & seaton shoot. It's fairly informal and new beater's will be welcome even more so if you have any dog's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 So do rook's not raid nest's for egg's like other corvid's as we have pheasants and partridge and duck's nesting on our land now. Will this not be reason enough to decoy them. I'll have to read the general licience again as i'm fairly new to all this. Not really. If there's nothing else about they may raid nests, but it's not there main source of food by any means. You say you have birds nesting on your land and yet the rooks seem quite happy where they are for now, which kind of reinforces the fact that they don't hunt down eggs/chicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 have you got a phone number for the farmer? if so, every time your out and see flocks of whatever, phone him and simply say, if your guys are about, get them on so and so field as its being hammered, it worked for me, having asked for permission, but refussed because he already had guys on the pigeon, I simply texted him every time I was out on the rabbits and saw big flocks, as a night worker I was out most days, by the 4th or 5th text over consecutive days, he texted back giving me full permission on them This sound's like a good idea. I'll give it a try if i can get his phone number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I have tried but the farmer said he has lad's who shoot there already, only pigeon's i think. There's hundred's of rook's in one small copse. Well i think they are rook's as they are nesting together. So " you think" they are rooks. Don't give us all a bad name please, if you can't identify them, they aren't comming on your bit as per your origonal post. All your doing is trying to justify a bit of sport shooting here. No with this level of knoledge of the Bird and its habbits i should leave them well alone if i were you. There are circustances were killing Rooks is justified - this just aint one of them for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Can someone tell me how to identify a crow from a rook before kent fall's off his high horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickanles Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 get your bird book out before you get your gun out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnykiller Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Why would you want to bring Rooks onto your land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 The rook's are already coming on our land were two new pond's were dug out. the ground around them has been re-seeded. I don't know if they are eating the seed or just the bug's. this is were i was thinking of decoying them, but if it's not the done thing I'll just leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 be patient for a short while, once the crop heads start forming they will start hitting your patch, mostly round the edges of fields and that is the best time to get hold of them, a nice sunny windy day can work well. Once the damage is being done you are complying with the license and as long as its black and not a raven you can shoot it One thing is for sure not many people on here can tell the difference between rooks and crows as so many posts get made about shooting a load of crows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Can someone tell me how to identify a crow from a rook before kent fall's off his high horse. as a starter look at the beak, a rooks look longer and staighter and there is a grey patch were it conects to the head. wing end shapes are different in flight but beware crows and rooks sometimes fly together. A crow is all black on its beak and head the beak although still long has a slight hook to the end if you look close. Sorry if i come across as high horse but your track of posts on your thread does prove your primary reason to kill these creatures is for sport and your lack of knoledge and respect will reflect on us all. You will get a lot more from your days with the gun if you learn to identify and a little of the habbits of your prey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 as a starter look at the beak, a rooks look longer and staighter and there is a grey patch were it conects to the head. wing end shapes are different in flight but beware crows and rooks sometimes fly together. A crow is all black on its beak and head the beak although still long has a slight hook to the end if you look close. Sorry if i come across as high horse but your track of posts on your thread does prove your primary reason to kill these creatures is for sport and your lack of knoledge and respect will reflect on us all. You will get a lot more from your days with the gun if you learn to identify and a little of the habbits of your prey I admit that i was looking to shoot rook's as part of my sport,But when i gained permission to shoot this land the farmer asked me to shoot as many rabbit's pigeon's rat's and crow's as i could. He said crow's, and magpie's, I wrongly or rightly assumed this included rook's. I'll ask him at the weekend. If rook's are the good guy's of the corvid family as you say, I'll leave them to it. Thank's kent for the info i am learning everyday and try to get out with more experienced shooter's as often as i can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 as a starter look at the beak, a rooks look longer and staighter and there is a grey patch were it conects to the head. wing end shapes are different in flight but beware crows and rooks sometimes fly together. A crow is all black on its beak and head the beak although still long has a slight hook to the end if you look close. Sorry if i come across as high horse but your track of posts on your thread does prove your primary reason to kill these creatures is for sport and your lack of knoledge and respect will reflect on us all. You will get a lot more from your days with the gun if you learn to identify and a little of the habbits of your prey Another ID tip, albeit one which only works when they are on the ground. Rooks have "baggy trousers", sort of feather jodphurs which crows don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste eibar Posted May 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 be patient for a short while, once the crop heads start forming they will start hitting your patch, mostly round the edges of fields and that is the best time to get hold of them, a nice sunny windy day can work well. Once the damage is being done you are complying with the license and as long as its black and not a raven you can shoot it One thing is for sure not many people on here can tell the difference between rooks and crows as so many posts get made about shooting a load of crows Thank's for the advice al4x appriecated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/r/rook/index.aspx http://www.rspb.org.uk/wildlife/birdguide/name/c/carrioncrow/index.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malantone Posted May 17, 2011 Report Share Posted May 17, 2011 Can someone tell me how to identify a crow from a rook before kent fall's off his high horse. AS GRANDAD USED TO SAY "IF THAT THERE CROW`S GOT A LOT OF MATES THEN HE`LL BE A ROOK, AND IF THAT THERE ROOKS ON HIS OWN THEN HE`LL BE A CROW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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