remmy1100 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 looking to buy a cleaning kit for my 17hmr have bore snake but want something to give it good clean with. Have some forest bore foam,went to my local gun shop who advised bore snake told him I had one he then advised me to put bore cleaner on end of bore snake :blink: .he did say to get one piece rod as had seen three piece ones break inside barrel.just want something with patches ect any advice gratefully received thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) 1 Peice rod Phosphor bronze brush Jag 20g cartridge case minus primer to be chamber guide Any help? Edited June 18, 2011 by Beretta28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosa Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Dont clean it!! or just one quick pull through as it will take some rounds to settle in again. Ive got a few parker hale one peice rods not sure if they will fit a .17 but give me a shout if you want to try one. i also have a load of cleaning material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotland rifles Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 if you bore snake leave the moderator on, this will stop the uneven pull through action of the boresake catching your crown and possibly leading to damage being done. bob. i never use a rod and jag, just a bore sanek as above, and i only do it after about 500 rounds, then it takes about 20 rounds to lead it up again :0 bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I,m in the same boat, new to the hmr but groups are not as good as should be after about 350 shots. I was told they like a clean now and then, and was advised the following :- Dewey one piece rod, jag and patches, bore guide, NYLON brush and bore cleaners for lead and copper residue. Apparently bronze brush and bore snakes are not the best due to the small diameter of a .17. What I don,t understand though is some advice that with the nylon brush it's better to scrub the bore back and fore after exiting the barrel, while others say when the brush exits the barrel unscrew it, bring the rod back through then reattatch the brush and go again. So, leave the brush on or take it off in between ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I,m in the same boat, new to the hmr but groups are not as good as should be after about 350 shots. I was told they like a clean now and then, and was advised the following :- Dewey one piece rod, jag and patches, bore guide, NYLON brush and bore cleaners for lead and copper residue. Apparently bronze brush and bore snakes are not the best due to the small diameter of a .17. What I don,t understand though is some advice that with the nylon brush it's better to scrub the bore back and fore after exiting the barrel, while others say when the brush exits the barrel unscrew it, bring the rod back through then reattatch the brush and go again. So, leave the brush on or take it off in between ? Probably not too much of an issue with a nylon brush as it is quite gentle. Generally speaking it is better to clean in one direction only. I am not a fan of the bore-snake. My theory is that the people who have problems after cleaning have not cleaned thoroughly. If you clean regularly (frequently) with solvent and patches, it will not take too long and you will not need to use the brush. After cleaning I put one patch through with a drop of oil on it followed by a dry patch. Do use a bore guide, Dewey rod is the best, use the correct size patch, the first couple of patches through may be quite hard to get through because of the muck in the bore, I gently tap mine through, then it gets smoother and easier. Try a couple of shots at targets and see if your accuracy is ok after cleaning. The guys who shoot competition keep their barrels spotless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I,m in the same boat, new to the hmr but groups are not as good as should be after about 350 shots. I was told they like a clean now and then, and was advised the following :- Dewey one piece rod, jag and patches, bore guide, NYLON brush and bore cleaners for lead and copper residue. Apparently bronze brush and bore snakes are not the best due to the small diameter of a .17. What I don,t understand though is some advice that with the nylon brush it's better to scrub the bore back and fore after exiting the barrel, while others say when the brush exits the barrel unscrew it, bring the rod back through then reattatch the brush and go again. So, leave the brush on or take it off in between ? My HW60 likes a clean every 100 rounds, when the groups start to open up a little. I use a squirt of bore cleaner and phozzy bronze brush on coated one piece rod, pulling chamber to muzzle and removing in between. Then pull clean with jags of 4x2 cut down to size. I leave the bore dry unless the gun is to be left unused for any length of time when I put on a thin coat of light gun oil with the wool mop. Dont't scrub back and forth with the bronze brush you'll wreck it (the brush) and as the bristles fold back the brush can become too tight in the bore which won't do that any good either. Better to remove it each time. You can scrub with a nylon if it doesn't become too tight, but you do flick oil and rubbish into the chamber. I think its better to go in one direction. If you're using bore cleaner squirt a bit into the barrel from the chamber and stand the rifle on its muzzle for a few minutes to allow it to coat the bore. Its not a bad idea to keep a dry bronze brush to remove loose fouling first before you introduce the bore cleaner. You'll spend less time with jags romoving the dirty oil. While the bore cleaner is soaking I take the mod apart and give that a good clean too- bore cleaner, brass or bronze hand brush and dry with a rag. Don't breath the dust! If you stick to a regular routine and do it after the same number of rounds fired, which varies from gun to gun, you'll find its much quicker when you do clean and you use fewer rounds shooting it back in again afterwards. Can't understand how some people say they can get away without cleaning an hmr. Mine starts shooting like a shotgun if I don't keep on top of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barney 66 Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Probably not too much of an issue with a nylon brush as it is quite gentle. Generally speaking it is better to clean in one direction only. I am not a fan of the bore-snake. My theory is that the people who have problems after cleaning have not cleaned thoroughly. If you clean regularly (frequently) with solvent and patches, it will not take too long and you will not need to use the brush. After cleaning I put one patch through with a drop of oil on it followed by a dry patch. Do use a bore guide, Dewey rod is the best, use the correct size patch, the first couple of patches through may be quite hard to get through because of the muck in the bore, I gently tap mine through, then it gets smoother and easier. Try a couple of shots at targets and see if your accuracy is ok after cleaning. The guys who shoot competition keep their barrels spotless. I keep mine clean,clean it after every outing and it shoots fine,i posted this a few months ago along with a lot of others,i had a reply from Dekers and now follow his cleaning regime and this works for me and my cousin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 Just watch the crown when cleaning, if that gets damaged thr rifle is S******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 thanks for all replies.was just wondering though when i first zerod gun it was bang on after 5 shots at 100 yards so barrel was as it came i pressume unleaded ect.so you would think after a clean back to normal it would be bang on again after 5 rounds how come it takes some people 50 rounds to get it back on the zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I,m in the same boat, new to the hmr but groups are not as good as should be after about 350 shots. I was told they like a clean now and then, and was advised the following :- Dewey one piece rod, jag and patches, bore guide, NYLON brush and bore cleaners for lead and copper residue. Apparently bronze brush and bore snakes are not the best due to the small diameter of a .17. What I don,t understand though is some advice that with the nylon brush it's better to scrub the bore back and fore after exiting the barrel, while others say when the brush exits the barrel unscrew it, bring the rod back through then reattatch the brush and go again. So, leave the brush on or take it off in between ? Look, cleaning is down to the individual, and there are all sorts of responses. I fully accept I may well be somewhat anal when it comes to cleaning, it's not a job I relish but I do it properly and very regularly. ANYTHING that goes up a barrel should be one way traffic, but I brush and patch both ways as I see fit, making sure everything fully exits the barrel before reversing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 thanks for all replies.was just wondering though when i first zerod gun it was bang on after 5 shots at 100 yards so barrel was as it came i pressume unleaded ect.so you would think after a clean back to normal it would be bang on again after 5 rounds how come it takes some people 50 rounds to get it back on the zero. We can go round and round on this one, it is BULL to suggest it takes 50 rounds to get a barrel back sweat after a clean. There are 3 possible answers to that:- 1, You did not clean it properly and simply raised fouling leaving the barrel worse than when you started. 2, The barrel is already in appalling condition and need copper/lead/powder residue to fill the holes/cracks to give it some accuracy. 3, ********! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remmy1100 Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 We can go round and round on this one, it is BULL to suggest it takes 50 rounds to get a barrel back sweat after a clean. There are 3 possible answers to that:- 1, You did not clean it properly and simply raised fouling leaving the barrel worse than when you started. 2, The barrel is already in appalling condition and need copper/lead/powder residue to fill the holes/cracks to give it some accuracy. 3, ********! ATB! thanks dekers for your replies ,was just reading old posts wouldnt like to have to put that many rounds through after a good clean be dam expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 thanks dekers for your replies ,was just reading old posts wouldnt like to have to put that many rounds through after a good clean be dam expensive This is where I scratch my head all the time, people spend 5 minutes cleaning, balls it up, moan that cleaning doesn't work, and then take (allegidly in some cases) 50 rounds to make it shoot straight again, wouldn't it be better to just spend a bit longer cleaning it properly? Lots of things have got better, faster, more efficient over the years, including gun cleaning, but it is still something you have to devote, time care and patience to, there is still no quick fix on this one (especially bore snakes ) sorry, I really should not have brought them up, but I bet it will string this thread out!! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 1 Peice rod Phosphor bronze brush Jag 20g cartridge case minus primer to be chamber guide Any help? Could you please tell me how to make a bore guide out of a 20g cart for a .17hmr. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 You need the second item on here >>> Link <<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 You need the second item on here >>> Link <<< Ha Ha...good try, it seems you fell for for it, but I think the word is getting around! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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