Whitebridges Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) .......... Some of the fowlers i spoke to on the marsh say it can be better than lead. With respect, they may have had a few clean kills. Steel isn't and never will be in the same league as lead shooting like for like. I take it they are old buoys that used to shoot lead before the ban? How many shells are you "fowlers" using a season? Just get 50 hevishot and be done with it. :lol: Edited June 27, 2011 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 get a 3 and a half for wildfowling better choice than a 3..i use gamebore 36gram no.3s for duck&gamebore mammoths 42gram no.1s for geese do the job for me and a decent price but as other people have said it will never be as good as lead,to many winged birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 (edited) With respect, they may have had a few clean kills. Steel isn't and never will be in the same league as lead shooting like for like. I take it they are old buoys that used to shoot lead before the ban? How many shells are you "fowlers" using a season? Just get 50 hevishot and be done with it. :lol: Obviously the wildfowlers i talk to haven't got a clue, one of them is a member of the GB sporting team and a half decent shot. Anyway, notice i said 'can' be better than lead. Quite a few load their own and get cracking kills on pinks out to sixty yards using big shot -remember, steel loads pattern tightly. I'm not sure 50 shells would be quite enough if you're killing over 50 geese a season! Edited June 27, 2011 by motty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Just sorted out my cartridges for next season, ended up buying 40 Tungsten 36g 3's, 50 gamebore mammoth steels again 36g 3's and 25 TMX 32g 5's for decoying on the splashes so i can use the old sxs. Also have about a dozen tungsten 42g 1's left over from last season which i will keep for the geese. Hopefully that will see me through the best part of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 (edited) Obviously the wildfowlers i talk to haven't got a clue, one of them is a member of the GB sporting team and a half decent shot. Anyway, notice i said 'can' be better than lead. Quite a few load their own and get cracking kills on pinks out to sixty yards using big shot -remember, steel loads pattern tightly. I'm not sure 50 shells would be quite enough if you're killing over 50 geese a season! Motty, "Obviously the wildfowlers i talk to haven't got a clue, one of them is a member of the GB sporting team and a half decent shot". Your words not mine. I can't agree steel "can" be better than lead. Sorry, and I don't want to nitpick. All anyone has to do is work out how many shells they need, buy the best (hevishot)and get on with the job. I shoot very few geese a year, probably a handful. I've seen wounded geese (shot with steel in the main), so my bias is to see them dead in the air! I respect your opinion and that of learned fowlers but the everyday bloke should'nt raise a gun to 60 yard pinkfoot with a steel load let alone pull the trigger. Edited June 28, 2011 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 i agree with whitebridges..40 yards is max range for a 12 gauge dont care who u are unless u are using the 10s or 8 bores then u would in with a much better chance,40 yards w a 12 or just let them fly on by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 i agree with whitebridges..40 yards is max range for a 12 gauge dont care who u are unless u are using the 10s or 8 bores then u would in with a much better chance,40 yards w a 12 or just let them fly on by Why?!! A 3 1/2" 12 is almost on par with a 10. With modern, fast steel in big shot sizes, geese can be killed well past 40 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Dawntredder, I tend to disagree but you have to shoot within your capabilities. Why?!! A 3 1/2" 12 is almost on par with a 10. With modern, fast steel in big shot sizes, geese can be killed well past 40 yards. This is more like it. Just replace steel with one of the other alternatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK-GUN Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Motty, "Obviously the wildfowlers i talk to haven't got a clue, one of them is a member of the GB sporting team and a half decent shot". Your words not mine. I can't agree steel "can" be better than lead. Sorry, and I don't want to nitpick. All anyone has to do is work out how many shells they need, buy the best (hevishot)and get on with the job. I shoot very few geese a year, probably a handful. I've seen wounded geese (shot with steel in the main), so my bias is to see them dead in the air! I respect your opinion and that of learned fowlers but the everyday bloke should'nt raise a gun to 60 yard pinkfoot with a steel load let alone pull the trigger. i agree with whitebridges too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Why?!! A 3 1/2" 12 is almost on par with a 10. With modern, fast steel in big shot sizes, geese can be killed well past 40 yards. i disagree with this. the 10gauge is way more efficient with steel and big shot. the 12 is perfectly capable though with steel loads. hevishot will out perform steel beyond 30 yards any day of the week, rain or sunshine. but its got a price tag to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 av seen them w me own eyes :o every season people trying to shoot geese and duck at long range and spoil it for the rest ov us,dont need to its just not on there called wild-FOOL-ers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wonder how long it will be be before someone uses clay steel loads on decoyed duck :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I wonder how long it will be be before someone uses clay steel loads on decoyed duck :yp: Or a .22 air rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawntredder Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 cz452,..a know 3&a halfs are great guns but thats what am saying common sense is all it takes 2 know your guns capabilities ..roll on sept1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 cz452,..a know 3&a halfs are great guns but thats what am saying common sense is all it takes 2 know your guns capabilities ..roll on sept1st Also can't wait, I will be using my 2 3/4 for the first part of the season until I have bought another 3".(decoying of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 av seen them w me own eyes :o every season people trying to shoot geese and duck at long range and spoil it for the rest ov us,dont need to its just not on there called wild-FOOL-ers!! I see this quite often too. But there are many who load some really good steel loads and i've seen them take some really high geese, time and time again. I agree, hevishot is better, but don't discount the people who are using steel the right way and with brilliant results. I keep hearing all this 'shouldn't use this' and 'shouldn't use that' on this forum. It's the same with people trying to tell me what loads i should use on pigeons to get clean kills!! When i know something works i will use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 cz452,..a know 3&a halfs are great guns but thats what am saying common sense is all it takes 2 know your guns capabilities ..roll on sept1st yep, can't wait,(sad I now ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 I wonder how long it will be be before someone uses clay steel loads on decoyed duck :yp: its already being done. mutch to my disgust. there was a thread here last year. probly the same crazy fools who say steel is cwap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 When I looked into using hevi-shot some years back, apart from the cost, it was well rated by everyone including the yanks. I read somewhere an experienced 'fowler tested it in a big way and now considered his 3 1/2" chambered gun and his 10 bore more or less redundant because hevi-shot is so effective. I was sat in a ditch a few seasons back decoying geese on a stubble field and shot a mallard just as it got up after dropping in for a look, the shot went clean through both sides of a goose decoy as well as dropping the duck and it was a fair old way out too. I'd say buy a box and have a few in your pocket to try for those higher birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakin stevens Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Whats the price on hevi shot these days? i can remember shooting wigeon with the hevi shot game loads it did the job a treat that was years ago through an old aya magnum sxs, hand loading power shot now for geese its more regimental than hevi shot. i can remember cutting one up and its all different shapes and sizes the hevi shot loads, as for steel i do like it i load my own and my field craft has just changed, get under the birds in the right conditions and steel does the job and saves you ££ss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 probly the same crazy fools who say steel is cwap. You don't have to be a crazy fool to know that most 'off the shelf' steel's 'cwap' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Lyalvale express is pretty dire,(in steel!). How much can you home load a goose hevi shot load for,(if the original poster doesn't mind me asking..)? Say 3 inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie Posted July 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Lyalvale express is pretty dire,(in steel!). How much can you home load a goose hevi shot load for,(if the original poster doesn't mind me asking..)? Say 3 inch. No not at all I keep reading and learning and getting confused lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Whats the price on hevi shot these days? i can remember shooting wigeon with the hevi shot game loads it did the job a treat that was years ago through an old aya magnum sxs, hand loading power shot now for geese its more regimental than hevi shot. i can remember cutting one up and its all different shapes and sizes the hevi shot loads, as for steel i do like it i load my own and my field craft has just changed, get under the birds in the right conditions and steel does the job and saves you ££ss. The earlier hevishot was a load of shrapnel, it also scored gun barrels to death. The newer stuff is allot better A 3'' 34g #3 is about £21.50 per 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) The earlier hevishot was a load of shrapnel, it also scored gun barrels to death. The newer stuff is allot better A 3'' 34g #3 is about £21.50 per 10 Ouch :o Edited July 1, 2011 by mpk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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