Hunter Gatherer Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 What do you think is the best allround caliber for the mainlands smaller deer species? Keeping in mind that the round must exeed 1,700 Ft/Lb's with 100 grain bullets and being of at least .240" diameter? possably 243 win? Cheers HG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john5 Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 What do you think is the best allround caliber for the mainlands smaller deer species? Keeping in mind that the round must exeed 1,700 Ft/Lb's with 100 grain bullets and being of at least .240" diameter? possably 243 win? Cheers HG :thumbs: .243 is the most universaliy accepted caliber, in that you can scale down for foxes , and go up for deer,. lots of different loading data for that caliber as well ,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 If it was leagle, the .223 , its leagle in Scotland however. Saying that, its not in your part of the country, so from what i have seen and experienced, the .243 would be most suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 if it was legal iwould use 22-250. shot roe in scotland deadly plus nice and flat shooting for plently of range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 if it was legal iwould use 22-250. shot roe in scotland deadly plus nice and flat shooting for plently of range but iam not so 6mm ppc just on with getting my dads put on my ticket really nice round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 if it was legal iwould use 22-250. shot roe in scotland deadlyplus nice and flat shooting for plently of range but iam not so 6mm ppc just on with getting my dads put on my ticket really nice round if they meet the minimum power required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 if they meet th e minimum power required [color=red ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 in england there is a minimum ftlb you can use on deer, i believe its 1700ftlb (dont quote me on that) and i seem to recall a conversation with someone who'm said that some of bench rest type rounds (6mm br/ppc) can struggle to meet this. im just having a look to see what combination of projectile weight and velocity is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) okay using a 70grain projectile and doing 3250 fps (the max speed nosler could get from their loads) the 6mm ppc is doing 1642 ft/lb so not legal for deer (in england). Nosler dont list a heavier bullet, i will just have a look at some other guides to see what weight you can use in the ppc. Edited April 16, 2006 by dunganick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 with a heavier bullet (75grains) the velocity is only 2900 (according to hornady) and the ft/lb only 1400ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 pc plod seems to think its ok i know where coming from i know a lad in lancs and plod won,t let him have deer on his ticket for 6mm ppc but it gets there on 240 cal as deer act says 240 cal OR 1700ftlb not both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 it says 'or' in context of prohibitory factors, so it is prohibited if it is smaller than .240 'or' has less than 1700 ftlb taken from the MET police website Deer stalking takes place in many parts of England, Wales and Scotland, however it should be noted that Scottish law is different in certain respects of this activity. In England and Wales rifles must be at least .240 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,700 ft/lbs. In Scotland, for Roe deer rifles must be at least .222 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,000 ft/lbs and a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 ft/sec. For other species of deer the rifle must be at least .243 inches in calibre. The bullet must be expanding/hollow nosed with a muzzle energy of at least 1,750 ft/lbs and a muzzle velocity of at least 2,450 ft/sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roe doe Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 i will agree to disagree with you dunganick our constabulary sees it diffrently to the met Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 i will agree to disagree with you dunganickour constabulary sees it diffrently to the met I have a .243 for deer and foxes. Nick has got it spot on. It has to be both .24 or greater and have the required muzzle energy. If your Police/FLO think otherwise they need a bit more training. :*) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 i will agree to disagree with you dunganickour constabulary sees it diffrently to the met Chances are though that you might not be shooting them in either yours or the Met areas. So then it would be down to a third interpretation. Go by the letter of the law and the police can argue it in court 'til the cows come home and still lose. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytie Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 HG, I have been seeking advice for a similar situation i.e. fallow, roe and muntjac in our area (worcs) and had some interesting, if dissimilar, advice. BASC deer man (Mr McCormick?) said .308 win. DMQ deer services said .270. Yet most of the professional stalkers around here have advised me .243 are the best, using lighter rounds for foxes and heavier (100 grain or more) for deer. That is what will go on my FAC when I hvae done my DSC1. Interestingly most of the estate stalkers I have met use the CZ/Brno and Schmidt Bender 6x42 scopes. The police (west mercia) seem to have no objections to .243 for foxes, but they are not so keen on .270 or larger. Best of luck, flytie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Gatherer Posted April 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 (edited) Thanks for all the info guys , i found your veiws quite interesting so i opened another topic for the larger deer species! Best cartrige for large deer? No doubt there will be more variation in the opinions with their being such a wide specrum of cartriges available for larger animals. Cheers HG Edited April 16, 2006 by Hunter Gatherer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M ROBSON Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Move to Scotland and use a 22-250. Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Move to Scotland and use a 22-250. Mark. Once i win the lotto, im moving their with my .223. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 .222 tickles my fancy,but we only have roe,not CWD/munties :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin.45 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 (edited) .45-120 IMHO Depends what you are planning on doing with it afterwards Edited April 18, 2006 by marlin.45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidney Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 .45-120 IMHO Depends what you are planning on doing with it afterwards picking up the remains with a dustpan and brush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghughes Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 How about 25-06 or 257 Roberts? I found here in Canada the best combo for coyotes and dear in feilds is the 25-06. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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