Which semi?

[Mungler]

Okay there are a few semi auto threads floating around, but I am not sure if a conclusion was ever reached.

 

You advice would be welcome on :

 

1. a second hand Beretta AL391 28" SPORTING around the £550 mark, or

2. a second hand Browning gold around the £350 mark, or

3. a new synthetic Escort magnum for £350

 

The gun will be for pigeon bashing and is likely to get abused.

 

I am very lazy and whilst I can't find a gun that will clean itself I would like something that is very robust easy to clean (and that won't need cleaning that often).

 

I like the look of the Escort to be honest if only because of the 3 year warranty and that I get it from new - I have also read good things about them on these boards.

 

The budget is upto £500, your comments would be appreciated.

 

Cheers ears.

[Lord Geordie]

Defo an Escort

 

The other 2 are SECONDHAND and as such you stand precariously with the warranty

 

The ESCORT has 3 years warranty :unsure:

 

And if for pigeons you wouldn't mind so much roughing it as it's a ABS stock.

 

You wouldn't wanna drop or prop your beretta against a tree for the wind to blow it over and dink your stock on the rocks would you :blink:

 

Escort ALL the way

 

You know it makes sence

 

LG

[Dunkield]

Once again, I find myself teetering on the edge of buying a cheapish S/A and I am asking myself similar questions.

 

I can't shoot an Escort as the stock is just stupid short, I tried one again at the weekend and we measured it at under well 14" which is a joke.

 

I don't want to shell out for 391, and I am wary of secondhend autos, there is just too much to go wrong.

 

I have been looking at the Stoeger, which is based on the Benelli system and marketed by Beretta, (so presumably backed up by GMK in the UK?)

Why don't you have a look at those Mungler, they are inertia driven, not gas.

 

The Franchi's should also be in budget as well. .

[Lord Geordie]

Perhaps we should all contact a company who can start making stock extentions for the Escort???

 

Just a rubber spacer to fit between the Butt pad and stock would be good??

 

Must admit though my 3&1/2" Mag stock is longer than the 3" as even may mate wanted to swap shotguns as he has a long reach.

 

There has to be someone out there who is willing to do an extension kit to fit??

 

What i mean is READY CUT and sized correctly for the ABS stock all you need do is take off the butt pad and fit the extention.

 

LG

[Mungler]

I stroked a black synethic Escort magnum on Saturday and it seemed a good fit.

 

It also seemed like a gun you can drop in a ditch and then hose down and use.

 

I think that my mind is made up on the Escort - at £325 ish and a 3 year warranty where's the harm?

 

If I get the black synthetic one then I can use it clay shooting as well.

 

Will report back shortly.

[Dunkield]

Perhaps we should all contact a company who can start making stock extentions for the Escort???

 

Just a rubber spacer to fit between the Butt pad and stock would be good??

 

Must admit though my 3&1/2" Mag stock is longer than the 3" as even may mate wanted to swap shotguns as he has a long reach.

 

There has to be someone out there who is willing to do an extension kit to fit??

 

What i mean is READY CUT and sized correctly for the ABS stock all you need do is take off the butt pad and fit the extention.

 

LG

 

 

I have will have to think about the butt of any auto I go for, as I shoot gun down and rubber butts always snag when you don't want them to.

 

If there was enough demand injection moulding a new stock wouldn't be expensive but you need to tool up for hundreds, if not thousand to make it viable, so some sort of spacer setup would be the answer.

 

What is the Franchi like LG? do you like it?

Can't find anyone to comment on the Stoeger, they must be the Betamax of the semi auto world

[Lord Geordie]

Been on to Edgar Brothers about this and this is the reply i got from them

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Martin,

 

 

 

The factory has already resolved this issue by bringing out a new stock system called the Trio. It consists of a different stock than is fitted to the current model but has the advantage of stock spacers which can be added or taken out. The stock is that new however that it is not yet on the Hatsan web site and we don't have any stock. As soon as we do we will do a press release for the magazines.

 

 

 

Thanks & regards,

 

 

 

Derek Edgar

 

Managing Director

 

 

 

So it seems it's already been resolved.

 

I wonder if i bug them if they will send me a free stock for mine i can hand to my mate

 

LG

Edited April 24, 2006 by Lord Geordie

[Dunkield]

Send them this link and get some commission mate!

[Mungler]

Just bought a new black synthetic AL391 from Essex Gun.

 

Not quite what I was planning on buying, but that was one sexy gun.... oh my god, I'll be sticking the pages of Guns and Ammo together next.

 

Andy

[MC]

Mungler,

 

You won't go wrong with that one, Good choice.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[remmy1100]

franchi 712 raptor £550 brand new cased /chokes/cleaning kit best auto ive owned and light put over 1500 shells through mine since january not a single jam lovely gun.

[Mungler]

£673 including case, 5 chokes, cleaning kit.

 

Tried to haggle for a free gun slip but they weren't having any of it.

 

Next on the shopping list, I need a cheap light weight pigeon magnet by Saturday - anyone got any suggestions? I have seen plenty of "cheap adverts" but they are sneaky and exclude speed controllers and batteries.

 

Andy

[il cacciatore]

I have will have to think about the butt of any auto I go for, as I shoot gun down and rubber butts always snag when you don't want them to.

 

I finally realised today when I missed an easy hare that the recoil pad on my Beretta AL391 Urika snagged on my jacket. How ****** off am I. I always hit em with my Winchester 1200 and the only difference between the two is the recoil pad. On the Winchester it isnt that kind of sticky rubber stuff they use but more of a plastic. At first I thought it was stock length but the winchester is maybe an inch longer so it wasnt that.

[bertie]

Can't go wrong with beretta al391 i've shot thousands of cartrages from 24g to 56g and only a handfull of jams. If you want a new gun go for the baikal mp153 there only £400 and twice the gun of the escort.

[Guest Patsmash]

the escort will be worth peanuts once you brought it. the beretta AL391 syn is a top gun i brought mine from essex gun they took my old crappy browning silver in part ex.

[flytie]

I asked a while ago about semi's, and just about everyone suggested the Beretta 391 in any of it's various forms. I have just been offered a synth 391 with less than a box of shells through it. If the haggling goes ok it should be coming home soon. Have you tried these web sites;

 

http://www.gundealer.co.uk/shop.sgxp

 

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/

 

They will give you an idea of whats on offer and for what price.

 

Regards, flytie

[magman]

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

[flytie]

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

If you buy the remi 1100, assuming it is aecond hand, make sure the gas rings are ok. Two mates of mine have just had to replace them on their remi's, mind you both guns have seen a lot of work on both pigeons and wildfowl.

 

Ft

[Davej]

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

 

 

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

If you buy the remi 1100, assuming it is aecond hand, make sure the gas rings are ok. Two mates of mine have just had to replace them on their remi's, mind you both guns have seen a lot of work on both pigeons and wildfowl.

 

Ft

 

What sort of price would you expect to pay for a Remi 1100 second hand of coarse and other than gas rings anything else to look for.

[flytie]

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

 

 

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

If you buy the remi 1100, assuming it is aecond hand, make sure the gas rings are ok. Two mates of mine have just had to replace them on their remi's, mind you both guns have seen a lot of work on both pigeons and wildfowl.

 

Ft

 

What sort of price would you expect to pay for a Remi 1100 second hand of coarse and other than gas rings anything else to look for.

Just looked on the gundealer site and they have them from £175 to £350, my mates ones, after all the abuse they have suffered, would not be anything like as expensive as they are only fit for blocking gaps in hedges! They can be more intolerant of light loads than some, but thant might only be my personal experience, as my friends both load their own shells and have experimented widely shall we say!

 

Ft

[magman]

get the remi 1100

why is this not on the list, old timer but one of best

 

ps , this advice was free

If you buy the remi 1100, assuming it is aecond hand, make sure the gas rings are ok. Two mates of mine have just had to replace them on their remi's, mind you both guns have seen a lot of work on both pigeons and wildfowl.

 

Ft

 

 

good then ,all those shell,s and on the marsh aswell only need to replace gas rings

anybody else used one that did not like them?

mine,s going nowhere as its an effective tool , not one for fashion.

[marsh fox]

The Remington 1100 has proved its self over years, they are strong and reliable with few faults, they have the problem of the gas seal but these are cheap as chips, few guns handle as nice and one size by and large fits all shooters There are a flush of new semis out there at this moment of time. many need to prove themselves yet, the old 1100 as stood the test of time. they have a steel action and are strong. I have a 20 bore 1100 and it is a nice gun to use i have had a problem with operation but i genuinely believe its just this gun of mine not the breed as a whole, i have had many 1100s in years gone by and i have had next to no problems with them, The finish on latter 1100s and 1187s is not what it once was and they do rust a bit in waterfowling use,

To pick a gun out of this glutt of new autos is a tough one realy, i bought a Baikal MP153 and i am very happy with it, i think its the best gun for my purposes at this time available, My next choice whould be the stoiger M2000 but its only a 3 inch gun and i wanted the 3-1/2 inch for waterfowling on the coast. The escorts are cheap and those that are using them seem happy enough with them. mid range guns from fabarm and franchi winchester and mossberg are just that mid ground when you go up to the Berettas and bennelis you are into double barrel gun money not semi auto. the extrema at 1300 pounds is just too mutch money for a salt marsh for me any way. I think Berettas are over rated at that price an auto is an auto at the end of the day, and if you look what you get for your money i am just not convinced by the fancy finish and the name. What you have to look at is not how does your beretta compare to one Baikal but three baikals, even if the beretta is twice the gun which i dont think it is for one moment you will still have another brand new baikal left when the beretta is dead and buried.

[magman]

The Remington 1100 has proved its self over years, they are strong and reliable with few faults, they have the problem of the gas seal but these are cheap as chips, few guns handle as nice and one size by and large fits all shooters There are a flush of new semis out there at this moment of time. many need to prove themselves yet, the old 1100 as stood the test of time. they have a steel action and are strong. I have a 20 bore 1100 and it is a nice gun to use i have had a problem with operation but i genuinely believe its just this gun of mine not the breed as a whole, i have had many 1100s in years gone by and i have had next to no problems with them, The finish on latter 1100s and 1187s is not what it once was and they do rust a bit in waterfowling use,

To pick a gun out of this glutt of new autos is a tough one realy, i bought a Baikal MP153 and i am very happy with it, i think its the best gun for my purposes at this time available, My next choice whould be the stoiger M2000 but its only a 3 inch gun and i wanted the 3-1/2 inch for waterfowling on the coast. The escorts are cheap and those that are using them seem happy enough with them. mid range guns from fabarm and franchi winchester and mossberg are just that mid ground when you go up to the Berettas and bennelis you are into double barrel gun money not semi auto. the extrema at 1300 pounds is just too mutch money for a salt marsh for me any way. I think Berettas are over rated at that price an auto is an auto at the end of the day, and if you look what you get for your money i am just not convinced by the fancy finish and the name. What you have to look at is not how does your beretta compare to one Baikal but three baikals, even if the beretta is twice the gun which i dont think it is for one moment you will still have another brand new baikal left when the beretta is dead and buried.

 

well said great minds think alike

 

wait for the beretta fans (its ok got me tin hat)

Edited May 1, 2006 by magman

[Davej]

The Remington 1100 has proved its self over years, they are strong and reliable with few faults, they have the problem of the gas seal but these are cheap as chips, few guns handle as nice and one size by and large fits all shooters There are a flush of new semis out there at this moment of time. many need to prove themselves yet, the old 1100 as stood the test of time. they have a steel action and are strong. I have a 20 bore 1100 and it is a nice gun to use i have had a problem with operation but i genuinely believe its just this gun of mine not the breed as a whole, i have had many 1100s in years gone by and i have had next to no problems with them, The finish on latter 1100s and 1187s is not what it once was and they do rust a bit in waterfowling use,

To pick a gun out of this glutt of new autos is a tough one realy, i bought a Baikal MP153 and i am very happy with it, i think its the best gun for my purposes at this time available, My next choice whould be the stoiger M2000 but its only a 3 inch gun and i wanted the 3-1/2 inch for waterfowling on the coast. The escorts are cheap and those that are using them seem happy enough with them. mid range guns from fabarm and franchi winchester and mossberg are just that mid ground when you go up to the Berettas and bennelis you are into double barrel gun money not semi auto. the extrema at 1300 pounds is just too mutch money for a salt marsh for me any way. I think Berettas are over rated at that price an auto is an auto at the end of the day, and if you look what you get for your money i am just not convinced by the fancy finish and the name. What you have to look at is not how does your beretta compare to one Baikal but three baikals, even if the beretta is twice the gun which i dont think it is for one moment you will still have another brand new baikal left when the beretta is dead and buried.

 

well said great minds think alike

 

wait for the berreta fans (its ok got me tin hat) :o

 

:o I like Berreta but respect others veiws

[marsh fox]

I have three words to say about the Beretta 390-1 series , SINGLE ACTION BAR.