ian w-b Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 hi all how come i miss when shooting pigeons up trees thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Shoot lower I'm told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabs Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 When shooting upwards gravity acts less on the pellet. So your normal hold over/under is different. As above, hold slightly under your normal aim point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) Hi Ian, the best advice I was given was to take a couple of practice shots [with safety in mind of course] into a/the tree you intend to target. Aim at a leaf or an obvious branch, and see where your pellet hits in line with your reticles mildots/aim points. Try it at different angles if possible, as you'll be surprised where the pellet hits. The above advice is true, but,,, from 45deg and above you have to hold over I've done some near vertical pigeon shooting recently, with my .177 HW100, and had to hold over up to an inch! It's just like shooting "on the flat", practice, practice and some more Hope that helps Chris Edited August 4, 2011 by JKD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I have missed before, using a shotgun.........both barrells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Look up rifleman's rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 The distance the shot travels dictates the windage (generally allow more as wind is slower at ground level faster higher up) the trajectory in relation to line of sight is dictated by the horizontal distance ie. 90 degrees staight up is equivelent to shooting at something an inch infront of you barrel OR TO PUT IT TOGETHER shooting 30 yds out from the base of a tree on level ground at an inclined target were the target was perhaps 50 yds up in respect of the distance the pellet traveled you would hold for trajectory as a 30 yds shot but allow windage at 50 yds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si-Bore Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 The affect on the trajectory of the pellet is determined by the distance shot across the pull of gravity. For example a shot fired parallel to the ground would be most affected by gravity as it is pulling down with greatest impact on the curve of the trajectory. Imagine the extreme where you do not shoot across the pull of gravity like when you fire straight up (imagine also zero wind for this example) the pellet would fly straight up with no arc in its trajectory at all. The if you tilted the gun slightly forward and fired the arc of the pellet (at normal airgun ranges) would be very slight compared to a shot fired roughly level with the ground. So your pellets POI will be higher the greater the angle you shoot at. In a nutshell if your zeroed at 30yd in a roughly level field i.e. not shooting up or down at the target then when you shoot up at a 30yd shot at a 45' angle you will have to compensate by aiming lower or your bullet will strike high of the aim point. I've had longer shots into trees at say 45-50yds where I have simply aimed straight the quarry and hit perfectly due to the flatter (less curved trajectory). Hope that helps you to understand it? Best plan is to fire some shots at small notches on trees to get the idea of the aim points before anything comes in to land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 I've done some near vertical pigeon shooting recently, with my .177 HW100, and had to hold over up to an inch! It's just like shooting "on the flat", practice, practice and some more Hope that helps Chris wouldn't that be hold under? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 (edited) wouldn't that be hold under? That's what I thought! But after shooting two pigeons with hold under, found they'd been hit low :blink: So a practice shot found I had to shoot with hold over. All shots were near vertical, re: 75-85deg, at which there is almost zero gravity pulling the pellet down away from its trajectory. That's how it was for me So at vertical, 90deg, it's just guess-work, but practice shots always show you the true path atb Chris Edited August 5, 2011 by JKD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 It's easy to see with diagrams, but when you fire a pellet horizontally the pellet is first rising and actually rises above the height of your crosshairs before dropping back down, giving you 2 zeros (say, 15 and 35 yards). As very well explained by si-bore, shooting up at an angle will have the effect of reducing the pellet drop, BUT remember when you are shooting up into a tree, especially when near vertically, that the ranges are likely to be much shorter so when aiming at a pigeon sitting on a branch 20 yards up (that's 15 yards from your rifle if you are standing) your poi should be almost in the center of your crosshairs. Any pigeons closer than 20 yards and you will have to use some hold over and any at further ranges you will need to use some hold under. It can get a bit confusing at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 It can get a bit confusing at times. Yes it definately can :blink: Which is why I always take a couple of practice shots to confirm the POI, as I suggested to the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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