Has Mr. Liar done it this time ?

[old rooster]

So our wonderful leader, having recently gone off at length about responsibility has refused to accept the home secretaries resignation over the failure to deport released prisoners scandal ?. Do you think he does things like this merely to see how much he can get away with or is he just the arrogant moron that many of us take him for ?

 

How can anyone defend what they accept is a systemic failure that has been going on for years despite it being brought to their attention ? Do these released prisoners, some of them murderers, rapists and paedophiles truly enrich society ? I'm afraid that sort of "diversity" doesn't do much for me but I am prepared to accept that I'm a bit of an old stick in the mud traditionalist who believes that the first priority should be given to the welfare and safety of the English working man and his family in England.

 

No doubt their true influence on our society is difficult to ascertain as they just melt away into obscurity with no chance of tracing them ever again.

 

Can the last Englishman to leave the country please turn off the lights (assuming the ****** haven't nicked all the bulbs by then)

[MC]

I think he is just an arrogant moron that many of us take him for.

 

And to think they had the nerve to slate the tories for carrying on the same way.

 

Vote AXE for PM, Lord Geordie for Home secetary

 

Cheers

 

Martin

[flytie]

Talking to a mate earlier about the appalling politicians we are landed with and I remembered a saying that my dad used to quote "We would be better off with a benign dictatorship". My mate looked at me and said "Why should it be benign"? "I say shoot them all"!

 

I couldn't in all honesty say I disagree with him

[COLINSRI]

I'll addres the larger problem of Modern Britain, rather than the latest embarrasment of our government. And more importantly British governments constant fascination with foreign affair, whilst Britain is left to suffer without proper leadership.

 

The problem goes straight to the heart of British Politics which we could only ever loosley refer to as democracy. Now, I wouldn't use the term democracy, more of an elected dictatorship. Whilst Tony takes on this presedential style of leadership and continues to ignore his cabinet and the voters, democracy and politics in the country will suffer.

 

In the words of Tony Benn: 'The current centralisation of powers in the hands of one man has gone too far and amounts to a situation of personal rule.'

 

 

Tony is more interested in foreign affairs/policy and his world wide status. As far as imigration is concerned I say sort out your own country Tony, its a ******* mess, until then close the ******* book.

 

And whilst Tony revels in his 'king' like status, our country will be continued to be raped from the inside out.

 

Now Mr Blair, you are letting us down...the people who voted you in...Now do your ******* job properly and concentrate on your own country.

Edited April 26, 2006 by henry d

[kdubya]

Go on then I am in? why should Clarke resign? fact is most of these missing scumbags were released by straw and blunkett, would you resign from your job if a previous employee had been a ******? no so why should he? now dont get me wrong no one would like this lot out more than me and believe me I live in a town where anyone who flys the labour banner would get elected, look back to mandie?

 

But for those of you who have selectively short memories? or indeed are in fact to young to have seen the systematic destruction of our manufacturing heritage,3 million on the dole and then encouragement to go onto benefit in order that the dole figure could be reduced! wholesale sell off of council housing stock,failure to invest in our (then ) nationalised industries, the wanton waste of north sea oil income,the poll tax, and the most blatant con of the average working man ie VAT and a simple alteration of higher tax rate being limited to 40% and the fact that an average joe soap can now expect to pay it!! would we could we re elect the most incompetant sleaze riddled (worse than this lot) out of touch with the ordinary guy TORIES?

 

Sorry but until the party radically changes and that does not mean simply changing their leader we are stuck with this lot for a LONG time

cheers KW

[flytie]

Go on then I am in? why should Clarke resign? fact is most of these missing scumbags were released by straw and blunkett, would you resign from your job if a previous employee had been a *****? no so why should he? now dont get me wrong no one would like this lot out more than me and believe me I live in a town where anyone who flys the labour banner would get elected, look back to mandie?

 

But for those of you who have selectively short memories? or indeed are in fact to young to have seen the systematic destruction of our manufacturing heritage,3 million on the dole and then encouragement to go onto benefit in order that the dole figure could be reduced! wholesale sell off of council housing stock,failure to invest in our (then ) nationalised industries, the wanton waste of north sea oil income,the poll tax, and the most blatant con of the average working man ie VAT and a simple alteration of higher tax rate being limited to 40% and the fact that an average joe soap can now expect to pay it!! would we could we re elect the most incompetant sleaze riddled (worse than this lot) out of touch with the ordinary guy TORIES?

 

Sorry but until the party radically changes and that does not mean simply changing their leader we are stuck with this lot for a LONG time

cheers KW

Clarke should resign because since it was brought to his attention (last april) the rate of disappearances has increased and he has done nothing to stop it! The buck has to stop somewhere even though this situation was brought to Blunketts attention by the Chairman of the Prisons Authority, you cannot get away from the fact that the rate of releases went up under Clarke, not down! The man has no shame.

 

Ft.

[kdubya]

perhaps if the tories, the gay ridden liberals,and the members of the labour party who are to far to the liberal left for their own good, would actually support the leadership of the present like it or not government, when they try to address problems like this, ie by actually VOTING for what is good for the country and not for their own idioligy? then perhaps we could put in place controls and safe guards that actually work? do you believe for one minute that should all of these "missing" suddenly become accounted for tommorow, that more than a very small percentage would actually be deported?

cheers KW

[Guest Mr Pieman]

OR,

 

I'm a bit confused! You say that B. Liar has refused to accept Clarke's resignation. I thought that Clarke had refused to resign - not the same thing at all. Could you point me in trhe right direction of where your story came from in the press

 

Cheers

 

PP

[flytie]

BBC radio 4, 6 o'clock news stated tonight that charles clarke had offered his resignation to B.Liar twice. Strangely he refused to accept it, or I suppose I should say, normally for Labour he refused to accept it.

 

Is this a judgement on us all , are we getting the politicans we deserve, are we really that unworthy?

 

Ft.

[old rooster]

BBC radio 4, 6 o'clock news stated tonight that charles clarke had offered his resignation to B.Liar twice. Strangely he refused to accept it, or I suppose I should say, normally for Labour he refused to accept it.

 

Is this a judgement on us all , are we getting the politicans we deserve, are we really that unworthy?

 

Ft.

 

Thats wot I heard too.

[old rooster]

Go on then I am in? why should Clarke resign? fact is most of these missing scumbags were released by straw and blunkett, would you resign from your job if a previous employee had been a ******? no so why should he? now dont get me wrong no one would like this lot out more than me and believe me I live in a town where anyone who flys the labour banner would get elected, look back to mandie?

 

But for those of you who have selectively short memories? or indeed are in fact to young to have seen the systematic destruction of our manufacturing heritage,3 million on the dole and then encouragement to go onto benefit in order that the dole figure could be reduced! wholesale sell off of council housing stock,failure to invest in our (then ) nationalised industries, the wanton waste of north sea oil income,the poll tax, and the most blatant con of the average working man ie VAT and a simple alteration of higher tax rate being limited to 40% and the fact that an average joe soap can now expect to pay it!! would we could we re elect the most incompetant sleaze riddled (worse than this lot) out of touch with the ordinary guy TORIES?

 

Sorry but until the party radically changes and that does not mean simply changing their leader we are stuck with this lot for a LONG time

cheers KW

 

Oh yes old bean , I witnessed the death of our manufacturing heritage, it was achieved by the unions who became far too powerful for their own good with labour backing. You can't seriously suggest that labour has actually done us any good ? The concept of rounding everyone down to the lowest common denominator has been the downfall of this once great, innovative, world leading country. Enterprise and the willingness to take a risk to better oneself was always a strong point but that has been battered out of most of us now by successive capitulation to bad EU dictates on working practice which is not adhered to by other EU countries and renders us unable to compete on a level commercial playing field. Us small businessmen have never had it so bad, to the extent that rather than look for more customers I'll go out and pursue my hobby interests. Since staring up on my own 15 years ago I've generated work for quite a number of people but I'm bu**ered if I'll work my nads of to pay extra tax to fund the influx of Eastern Europeans and aliens from all corners of the world.

 

Can anyone tell me of something this government has got right

 

We should all have taken heed when the Millenium Tent project started to get out of hand, then we had a total foul up of the foot and mouth crisis, then............... you could fill a book on the cock ups and abject failures the illegal war with Iraq being a prime and very expensive example.

[flytie]

Amen Old Rooster! How is our industry expected to compete when our fuel costs are so much higher than anyone elses in europe, we pay more tax on wine produced in this country that any other country in europe and don't get me started on the new slaughtering regulations/prices (£145 per animal) which are going to ham string all those good people dedicated to producing tasty beef not the bright red rubbish you find in the supermarkets.

 

But back to Mr Clarke, he lied to Jeremy Paxman on newsnight about there being no significant numbers of people/scum released since last april. In fact he has presided over an increase of numbers being released!

 

This government seem incapable of telling the truth, even to the extent of how many nurses they want to make redundant. 700 at the royal worcester acute hospitals trust alone, the wife is a sister in A&E in Worcs, is what the nurses have been told by the management, oddly none of the managers seem to be going, odd that?!! Also the phillipino nurses employed by the trust are not going to lose their jobs, as the trust have a contract with them guaranteeing them employment for a specified period. So they will sack the young British nurses that have just finished their training to leave phillipino nurses in jobs. If you really want a laugh see what they pay nurses. My wife is a sister in A&E she will take your blood, give you a ECG, put venflons in to administer drugs and stitch your wound, all jobs that used to be done by doctors and they pay her less than a young probationary police constable. And the government have the gaul to say that nurses inflationary payrises were a contributory factor to the state that the NHS trusts are now in. My wifes last payrise was a whole £2.00 a year, and she spent it on icecreams for our twins, whooppee!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ft

[the pelt man]

Dont matter who you vote for they are all the same.

Unions did get too strong, but they were set up for the good of the workforce.

Then those in charged of Unions used the united front to fight a war against the bosses

which went way beyond what they were there for.

 

But the Country as a whole was going to pot under the tories.

Then Labour have come in to finnish the job of.

 

I dont have a short Mem & when the Tories Said that they would help OAP's with Winter Fuel bills IF IT WAS BELOW -1 DEGREES FOR MORE THAN 3 DAYS ON THE TROT "STARTING ON A MONDAY".

I just had to laugh at that one.

And to up VAT the way they did, that did hit OAP's real bad, just to mention a couple of things.

 

Yes Labour are just as bad in some ways but as a whole they "only Just" would get my vote.

 

But i just cant be bothered anymore & try to ignore what is going on.

 

We are all on a slippery slope & there aint no going back so just shut your eyes untill you hit the wall at the bottom. GOD (if there was one) help our Kids future (if there was one).

 

 

THE PELT MAN

[il cacciatore]

Tory and labour policy is nearly identical. I think at one stage labour were half inching nearly all the policy that the Tories came up with and ended up the Tories couldnt tell anyone about their policy cause they were frightened that labour would nick it and use it for their own gain. All parties that are central ground cannot be different because they use ideas from both left and right. All our parties are now central (nearly all) because that is the fashion (to gain support from left and right voters) so they are all the same. I think that labour and the tories should merge.

 

The only difference now that I can see between the two is Tories would have a government that is less nannying, a smaller government that would concentrate more on core issues (whatever that means) opposed to the labour ideal of social engineering where they feel it is their duty to change people's characters and TAX everyone out of house and home and spend it on moronic ideas such as the Millenium dome, the millenium bridge, the Scottish Parliament etc etc etc.

 

The Scottish Parliament is a talking shop that doesnt have any real power to govern so its only service is to provide Labour with an extra pool of MP voters to vote on issues in the House of Commons when they think that they are not going to be able to manage a majority and those issues can be things that only effect England. That is a dictatorship in my book.

 

I dont vote Labour or Tory but I do vote. More people need to vote because it benefits the politicians by not voting. They say "People dont vote because they are happy with the political system and believe that us MPs are doing a good job so there is no need to vote".

[iamspartacus]

I've got to say that I agree with Il cacc, the tories and the labour party are pretty consensual on a lot of fundamental issues. Furthermore, for all those who criticise the steps taken by tory governments in the 80's, many of the policies implemented have been supported and developed by subsequent tory and labour governments. And lets look for one moment at the organisation of state institutions, does the introduction of internal competition in order to drive productivity sound like a typical labour initiative? Nope, but still they have developed this where it was already present and introduced it where it was not (education and health). And this is a policy that not even Thatcher went as far as introducing.

 

If you want to find the culprit for the decreasing trust in our politicians, you've got to look at the media. The current situation forces politicians to play the media game, which means sweet soundbites and empty promises. If you limit the sensationalising tendencies of certain elements of the media and you give rise to a more credible political regime.

 

IAS

[old rooster]

We need a goverment that LISTENS to the concerns of the indigenous population and ACTS on their behalf. What we have is a government (if it can be called that) that panders to the wishes of antisocial minority groups and outside influences like the EU and USA.

 

It really is time for all parties to wake up to this.

[flytie]

I agree with Il Cacc we all ought to vote, I just wish that ballot papers came with a "None Of The Above" box to put my x in. Then we would see the beggars scurry to really represent us and our views.

 

Ft.

[il cacciatore]

Just spoil the ballot.

[flytie]

Just spoil the ballot.

A spoiled ballot paper is just that, it does not make them be put up for re-election immediately. A none of the above would open up the process for protest votes without having to vote for some extreme looney.

 

I heard on the radio that some labour mp's have been worrying publicly that the Clarke fiasco is going to lose them votes to the BNP in the council elections. Personally I would rather vote "None Of The Above"! The political parties, of whatever colour, would soon move to be more voter friendly and representitive if thats what it took to be in power. Self interest, the politicans main motive, would ensure it.

 

Ft