kermitpwee Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 (edited) Right folks never lurked in this part of the forum before so hello! I have bought a 16 bore and can only get 5 and 6 shot size for it. I see 7 are available but would be difficult to get where I am based. Could I get 12bore cartridges and take out the lead say 8's or 9's and just pop them into the wad of the 16bore? Would I mess up the crimp on the cartridge and does the tightness of the crimp make any difference to performance anyway? As you can see I am a total novice here, any help would be greatly appreciated. Edited August 25, 2011 by kermitpwee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Right folks never lurked in this part of the forum before so hello! I have bought a 16 bore and can only get 5 and 6 shot size for it. I see 7 are available but would be difficult to get where I am based. Could I get 12bore cartridges and take out the lead say 8's or 9's and just pop them into the wad of the 16bore? Would I mess up the crimp on the cartridge and does the tightness of the crimp make any difference to performance anyway? As you can see I am a total novice here, any help would be greatly appreciated. I guess the 8/9’s are for clays, if so is the gun choked for what discipline you want to shoot at? Depends on how many rounds you are going to use, then some form of re crimping tool will be needed. Why waste a shell to re load one! Go and buy the shot size you need and a re crimping tool….. Do the maths first, for the volume you need and you will find your own answers :o TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I would reload the whole shell or you may unwittingly completly mess up the pressures of the origional shell( it would be hard to know the exact factory load bearing in mind that they use some powders not available o the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 buy a reloader, make shells, be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake444 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I guess the answer is, yes you could take 7 shot from whatever source and unpack a 16g cartridge and put the shot in and seal it up. But it all has to be done properly, re-crimped or rolled and to the correct weight. Without the equipment it will just be a mess and a waste of time and resources. You could get yourself minimal equipment to do the job, like a bag of 7 shot, some 16g over powder cards, a rollover tool that fits onto a power drill and some digital scales. At least with this you could do a half decent job, you would just need to trim down the original hull slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I guess the answer is, yes you could take 7 shot from whatever source and unpack a 16g cartridge and put the shot in and seal it up. But it all has to be done properly, re-crimped or rolled and to the correct weight. Without the equipment it will just be a mess and a waste of time and resources. You could get yourself minimal equipment to do the job, like a bag of 7 shot, some 16g over powder cards, a rollover tool that fits onto a power drill and some digital scales. At least with this you could do a half decent job, you would just need to trim down the original hull slightly. Thanks folks I generally shoot 7's or 8's at woodcock and snipe. Reloading cartridges is illegal in Ireland so I don't want to have a load of reloading tools on me. If I weighed the shot could I put it in the 16bore shell and just recrimp? If I Put in the same weight of lead as I took out and recrimp should it not work perfectly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 For what it will cost to cannibalise a 12g and dismantle the 16 (and probably end up with a disappointing result) just order the 7s through mail order and get them delivered. Cheaper! Or just shoot the 6s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake444 Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Thanks folks I generally shoot 7's or 8's at woodcock and snipe. Reloading cartridges is illegal in Ireland so I don't want to have a load of reloading tools on me. If I weighed the shot could I put it in the 16bore shell and just recrimp? If I Put in the same weight of lead as I took out and recrimp should it not work perfectly? Yeah you would have to weigh the shot and put in the same weight and it would be fine. You can open up crimps and close them again with no real problem but it’s tricky and won’t guarantee a proper seal. If I were you I would just stick with the 6's, the difference is fractions of a mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I would not entertain semi factory semi custom carts it could be very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 For what it will cost to cannibalise a 12g and dismantle the 16 (and probably end up with a disappointing result) just order the 7s through mail order and get them delivered. Cheaper! Or just shoot the 6s! Take this advice its the most sensible and if you order lots the cheapest option ,by buying other cartridges to canabalise it must work out to cost you something like 10 quid a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK-GUN Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Take this advice its the most sensible and if you order lots the cheapest option ,by buying other cartridges to canabalise it must work out to cost you something like 10 quid a box. hello you can buy shot, so why buy another cartridge to take the shot out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 hello you can buy shot, so why buy another cartridge to take the shot out. I would think that as the op says reloading in ireland is illegal it would be impossible to buy the components to do so, but that also would raise the question if you take shot out off one shell to load into another are you infact reloading ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I would think that as the op says reloading in ireland is illegal it would be impossible to buy the components to do so, but that also would raise the question if you take shot out off one shell to load into another are you infact reloading ? Thanks to all that posted. Sorted now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Thanks to all that posted. Sorted now! Why go to all the trouble ! ? I have shot plenty of woodcock & snipe in CO Wicklow & Co Wexford with nuber 6s it kills em just the same !, 16 bores are very under ratted & I had one years ago & I keep meaning to get another one . Good Luck Pole Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Why go to all the trouble ! ? I have shot plenty of woodcock & snipe in CO Wicklow & Co Wexford with nuber 6s it kills em just the same !, 16 bores are very under ratted & I had one years ago & I keep meaning to get another one . Good Luck Pole Star I eat eveything I shoot and find that the larger pellet size really destroys the little flesh thats on a woodcock. Woodcock on toast love it! Thanks mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa taf Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Thanks to all that posted. Sorted now! I hope , when you say " Sorted now " you mean you decided to order in the shot size you need. The only sensible and SAFE way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Right folks never lurked in this part of the forum before so hello! I have bought a 16 bore and can only get 5 and 6 shot size for it. I see 7 are available but would be difficult to get where I am based. Could I get 12bore cartridges and take out the lead say 8's or 9's and just pop them into the wad of the 16bore? Would I mess up the crimp on the cartridge and does the tightness of the crimp make any difference to performance anyway? As you can see I am a total novice here, any help would be greatly appreciated. Well mate if you are hell bent on using smaller shot why dont you come to some arrangement with your local dealer ? , I know from when I lived in Ireland the problems with legally being allowed to hold large numbers of amo on your ticket . Surly if you tell your supplier your problem he can get in a thousend cartridges or so in for you & hold em for you as you need them. Or can you ask the Gardi for an increase on your ticket ? these 2 options will be better & cheaper & some what safer than messing about opening up the crimp just to change the shot size . Good luck with your problem I know where you are coming from as I lived in Ireland for some years & you know the saying "you have to find an Irish solution for an Irish problem" . Good Luck Pole Star . ps get intouch if you want a yarn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Leave Ireland for just one day and make thousands of shells then bring them back, you didn't reload them in Ireland! Just buy them mail order or use 6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Star Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Leave Ireland for just one day and make thousands of shells then bring them back, you didn't reload them in Ireland! Just buy them mail order or use 6... I hope your only kidding ! If he got caught at the port this side or that side he would be in one hell of an awkward position ! I often got checked on both sides . When I get on or off the ferry at Larne I always get asked the same question " are you carrying any sporting goods " they know some times I am traveling with a firearm or amo & I know my name will always show up in their checks . As for the Welsh police on the welsh ports , well those Buffoons ! have wound me up so many times over firearms I dont want to even start talking about em !!!. Pole Sar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spara Dritto Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) I hope your only kidding ! If he got caught at the port this side or that side he would be in one hell of an awkward position ! I often got checked on both sides . When I get on or off the ferry at Larne I always get asked the same question " are you carrying any sporting goods " they know some times I am traveling with a firearm or amo & I know my name will always show up in their checks . As for the Welsh police on the welsh ports , well those Buffoons ! have wound me up so many times over firearms I dont want to even start talking about em !!!. Pole Sar LoL, yes of course I'm joking buddy.. If you are happy to put your shotgun cert on the line and do this you don't deserve to own one... Note: You wouldn't be able to cart thousands of shells even if it was legal, even 1k is too much for one person to carry!! Lmao. Edited August 29, 2011 by Beretta Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 I hope , when you say " Sorted now " you mean you decided to order in the shot size you need. The only sensible and SAFE way to go. Well 8 and 9 shot are not available in 16 bore so there will be no ordering in. I can get 7's in Northern Ireland so they will do me. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well mate if you are hell bent on using smaller shot why dont you come to some arrangement with your local dealer ? , I know from when I lived in Ireland the problems with legally being allowed to hold large numbers of amo on your ticket . Surly if you tell your supplier your problem he can get in a thousend cartridges or so in for you & hold em for you as you need them. Or can you ask the Gardi for an increase on your ticket ? these 2 options will be better & cheaper & some what safer than messing about opening up the crimp just to change the shot size . Good luck with your problem I know where you are coming from as I lived in Ireland for some years & you know the saying "you have to find an Irish solution for an Irish problem" . Good Luck Pole Star . ps get intouch if you want a yarn Thanks mate. I have found that I can get 7's in Northern Ireland so I will use them for woodcock. The firearms act has changed here in the last 2 years and I can get 650 cartridges on one licence I have and on the other 500 so am sorted for ordering in bulk. We have individual licenses here rather than a ticket, bit of a balls really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitpwee Posted August 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Leave Ireland for just one day and make thousands of shells then bring them back, you didn't reload them in Ireland! Just buy them mail order or use 6... No this is not going to happen! As for mail order that is not allowed in Ireland. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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