four-wheel-drive Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I never did agree with the right to buy scheme when it first came in and at a time when it is virtually impossible for young people to afford to buy a home he plans to sell of houses for £40.000 and he also says that the council will have to replace it with a new one that will cost £1000.000 plus makes no sense to me. when council houses were first built they were houses for working people to get one you needed to first be in work and provide references that you was of good character so that the houses went to working people. Then one of the labour governments in there wisdom decided to change it in to social housing so that to qualify to get one you needed to be unemployed with lots of children a generalisation of course as there are lots of good people living in council houses. The conservative government in there wisdom decided to sell them off at cut prices and did not replace them with the inevitable outcome more people less houses to rent or buy house prices going though the roof people borrowing to much banks go bust and all for what. I say let them keep there social housing but instead of just giving money to the banks to gamble with spend it on building new stocks of council houses and go back to the original idea houses for working people and to get one you have to be a worker or at least a good record of having worked for a living in the past this would also give jobs to lots of people building the new houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvid wings Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yes and british , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I actually agree with the scheme! If a person can buy his/her home for £40k, that will be enough to build a new home of the same size. This will give the building trade and the economy as a whole a boost, but its all down to the banks once again: people need to get mortgages in order to start the ball rolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I actually agree with the scheme! If a person can buy his/her home for £40k, that will be enough to build a new home of the same size. This will give the building trade and the economy as a whole a boost, but its all down to the banks once again: people need to get mortgages in order to start the ball rolling yeah the scheme is great, make people who work hard for a living and who paid top whack for their houses pay for other peoples cheap houses, FANTASTIC..... NOT!!! Yet again a scheme to reward people for putting nothing back into society except pumping out scrote kids. And yes i know this is a generalization but let`s face it this is more the case than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 So how do 'scrotes' get the money together to buy a house? How does the scheme affect people who have already bought a house of higher value? Can't stay I understand your arguement! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggest Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 'If a person can buy his/her home for £40k, that will be enough to build a new home of the same size.' I'd like to know what sort of house you are building for £40k? Is it a Wendy House? A couple of years back I extended my house by converting the garage into a dining room and put a 3rd bedroom above it, it didn't need any ground works and still cost £25k. Council/social housing should be there to house those, that for whatever reason, cannot afford to buy. They should not have the right to buy as they are needed for other families. Also once someone that is in social houses are earning enough then they should be made to move on so others lass fortunate can be housed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I think that the right to buy is totally and utterly unfair- so the tenant gets to live in a house for very cheap rent, then is able to buy it for next to nothing when those people who work hard and buy a house privately are looking at paying about 4 times that. Them the tenant sells the house for £200k and has a huge profit...should simply not be allowed. But then I don't think council houses are fair in the first place, allows too many people from the shallow end of the gene pool to plop out multiple parasitic kids to get additional benefits and perpetuates the feckless, jobless lazy ******** the rest of us support who have no intention of every working. Add to the general license I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 'If a person can buy his/her home for £40k, that will be enough to build a new home of the same size.' I'd like to know what sort of house you are building for £40k? Is it a Wendy House? A couple of years back I extended my house by converting the garage into a dining room and put a 3rd bedroom above it, it didn't need any ground works and still cost £25k. Council/social housing should be there to house those, that for whatever reason, cannot afford to buy. They should not have the right to buy as they are needed for other families. Also once someone that is in social houses are earning enough then they should be made to move on so others lass fortunate can be housed. As a general rule of thumb and taken as a national average, it costs £1500 per square metre of floor space to build a basic habitable dwelling. Extensions are often more expensive because they incur adaption costs which don't increase floor space. £2000/m gets a slightly higher spec but not luxury, £1000/m gets you a shell if you're lucky. Anyone, builder or politician, who says housing can be built for less than about £1300/m is lying, and someone somewhere will be picking up the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I think that the right to buy is totally and utterly unfair- so the tenant gets to live in a house for very cheap rent, then is able to buy it for next to nothing when those people who work hard and buy a house privately are looking at paying about 4 times that. Them the tenant sells the house for £200k and has a huge profit...should simply not be allowed. But then I don't think council houses are fair in the first place, allows too many people from the shallow end of the gene pool to plop out multiple parasitic kids to get additional benefits and perpetuates the feckless, jobless lazy ******** the rest of us support who have no intention of every working. Add to the general license I say! Print this out and pin it up in every classroom in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) What has happened round here is that whole council estates have been "given" to Housing Associations which are in reality quangos being run by the Party Faithful at inflated salaries without any accountability what so ever. I'm not at all sure of the legality of councils just giving away public assets but it happened. Worse than Maggie selling them off don't you think? Once they are in the hands of the housing associations, despite the fact they are still being paid for from the public purse there is no control as to who gets one or why. Most of the "buy to let" houses in the vicinity of where my mum lived, and there were lots, were rented out to Housing Associations or the Council and because of our proximity to Heathrow Airport seem to be permanently filled with assylum seekers. One family I got to know quite well were there ten or more years. There is a lot more dodgy double dealing going on with housing than a lot of you realise Edited October 2, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I'm talking about the cost of housing where I live, a 2 bed terraced house in good condition will cost you £65k. Don't mix up the selling price of an extension with the actual cost of building a block of houses! The points raised are all valid and I agree with you, especially the right to sell, what I suggest is this: When you sell your council house, you keep the same percentage as you put in, so if you got the house at 30% market value, you get back 30% of the sale price. The scheme should not be allowed to run as it has done, the money will then be returned into building housing stock The rent on a council house is a lot higher than you may think, its only the scrotes who don't pay it, so the right to buy won't mean a thing to them anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 yeah the scheme is great, make people who work hard for a living and who paid top whack for their houses pay for other peoples cheap houses, FANTASTIC..... NOT!!! Yet again a scheme to reward people for putting nothing back into society except pumping out scrote kids. And yes i know this is a generalization but let`s face it this is more the case than not. You quite obviously have little experience of Social Housing. Yes there are the scroungers, but they are in the minority. I live in a Housing Association property, most of my neighbours are working, both my partner and I have worked all our lives, however, she works in the NHS and as such earns little, I'm in the building trades and while I do OK it's not enough for us to buy the 4 bedroom house we need. Net result is we are not going anywhere in the near future. If however we are offered the opportunity to get a foot on the ladder we will do so and it wouldn't affect you one jot my friend. As for £100k+ to build a replacement house, where the **** do you live, Chelsea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I'm no expert on building houses but from what I have seen of it a large portion of the final cost of the house is down to ground works putting in drains and sewage pipes gas electricity telephone footpaths roads its not just a case of building a house on a piece of land that may not cost that much its everything that goes to make it livable also if it is going to be a large estate it will require schools doctors surgeries etc etc. One final thing that I herd a while ago that really annoyed me was a person I now is slightly disabled had problems with stairs she changed her council house for a bungalow one's in she promptly bought the bungalow for a knocked down price it is one thing to sell of a house but to sell of a old or disabled persons bungalow that it would not be economical to replace is shire madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I'm no expert on building houses but from what I have seen of it a large portion of the final cost of the house is down to ground works putting in drains and sewage pipes gas electricity telephone footpaths roads its not just a case of building a house on a piece of land that may not cost that much its everything that goes to make it livable also if it is going to be a large estate it will require schools doctors surgeries etc etc. The main cost generally is the land. The services etc are a factor but not that huge to be honest, and the build costs are surprisingly low when you are building a small estate. Here, which is about 40 miles south of London on one of the main commuter arteries into the city, I was recently involved on a new build. I asked what the build costs were on the houses we were doing, including the land and services the properties were costing £180k to build... ...asking price? £650,000 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yes but you have to add on the cost of the bungs paid to the members of the local planning committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yes Vince, and that will double the price :blink: We keep seeing new Mosques and Islamic centres popping up all over Oldham, wonder if its because the big bosses are all Asian....perish the thought! Also, Oldham has seen a lot of new builds going up, not just cheap homes for those on the massive waiting list, but 4 & 5 bed ones with all the latest energy savings, solar panels, gardens, driveways etc.....so who can they be for, certainly not the scrote single mums with kid and no partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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