big bad lindz Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Hi All, As the topic title. I want to access the foreshore where I know there is good shooting to be had. I have 2 options in getting to this area. A long way and a short way. The short way as you guessed it is by crossing a railway line. From parking the car to getting onto the shore takes around 10-15 minutes. The long way from a diffrent car park takes around 45 minutes. So my question is can you or can you not cross a railway line to access the shore. The line is fenced but the field next to it has livestock in it. I have crossed the line in the past but I have been told that this is tresspass and I do not want to get into any hassle (if caught!!) Going the short way would at least gives me an extra 30 minutes or so in bed at stupid O`clock in the morning. I have contacted network rail but as yet I have had no answer. Cheets, BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The railway lines are private property. Could be armed trespassing. If it is a main line (fast train) could mean splat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big bad lindz Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 The railway lines are private property. Could be armed trespassing. If it is a main line (fast train) could mean splat Cheers for the reply. Yes it is a main line if you can call the far north line from Inverness to Thurso that. not to much rail traffic on it and I have a copy of the time table although that dont allow for the odd freight train. Regarding the armed tresspass, I thought that if the gun is in a slip and you have a reason to be on private property accessing the place you want to shoot its OK in Scotland, hence my post, BBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) Yes you can cross it if your in Scotland...but be very careful! If you are crossing straight over to access land or water where you have the right to shoot then you are allowed Edited October 6, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 You might have a reason to be on the property but that dosnt mean you are allowed to be on the property. I don't think the railway bods will allow you to cross because of the risk of an accident then they might be liable for a claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) my mate works for britsh transport police and i no they prosecuteing any one found on tracks as they are geting mega gref from cable theifts if you was the farmer with access to feilds then no problems but for short cut to shooting your askin for trouble and as for saveing 30 mins at stupid o clock your up early for something you enjoy not worth hassle mate stay of lines Edited October 6, 2011 by swiss.tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 You might have a reason to be on the property but that dosnt mean you are allowed to be on the property. I don't think the railway bods will allow you to cross because of the risk of an accident then they might be liable for a claim. its not up to them, its the law, totaly different in Scotland. You have the right to cross any land to directly access the foreshore where you have a right to shoot fowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) my mate works for britsh transport police and i no they prosecuteing any one found on tracks as they are geting maga gref from cable theifts if you was the farmer with access to feilds then no problems but for short cut to shooting your askin for trouble and as for saveing 30 mins at stupid o clock your up early for something you enjoy not worth hassle mate stay of lines The right to access the foreshore for recreational activities in Scotland is totaly diferent. You cannot be prosecuted for doing something you legally have the right to do! Op- ring basc and ask to speak to Colin sheddon. He should be able to put you rite. Edited October 6, 2011 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Is he in scotland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Is he in scotland? He said inbetween thurso and inverness, thurso is the top of the mainland so yes he is well up in the Scottish lands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Missed that one sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 If your Scottish please go ahead and fill yer boots its no problem at all in fact worth waiting around and watching the train go by, no need to stand clear prob get home in time to watch England beat France PS if your English, Irish, Welsh, Polish, African, trains are very dangerous and under no circumstance go anywhere near the tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yes you can cross it if your in Scotland...but be very careful! If you are crossing straight over to access land or water where you have the right to shoot then you are allowed If thats the case why do we have signs at the end of platforms and elsewhere telling people not to cross the the line with a penalty of £1000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 And why are there signs saying private property-no trespassing some places in Scotland.... There is a right to cross any land to access the foreshore for wildfowling...there is nothing I have seen or been told that says this doesn't include tracks...it says 'any land' ...doesn't matter who owns it or what's on it. I will admit I am wrong when I see definitive proof...I have taken a lot of time in the past to read about access rights and nothing has ever said to not cross rail lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 And why are there signs saying private property-no trespassing some places in Scotland.... There is a right to cross any land to access the foreshore for wildfowling...there is nothing I have seen or been told that says this doesn't include tracks...it says 'any land' ...doesn't matter who owns it or what's on it. I will admit I am wrong when I see definitive proof...I have taken a lot of time in the past to read about access rights and nothing has ever said to not cross rail lines I can assure you will be regarded as a trespasser if you cut across a rail line no matter the reason.But if i bump into a BTP at work tomorrow i'll ask them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 They can call you what they want but if you have the right to cross there is nothing they can do about it. Please do post here if u have definitive proof though...I have yet to see any proof that the right doesn't include rail lines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Lifted from a Scotsman newspaper article about the problem of trespass on Scotlands railway Paul Crowther, British Transport Police's (BTP) deputy chief constable, said: "BTP officers continue to work closely with Network Rail and train-operating companies across the country to educate young people about the dangers of going near the railway line. "Our message is simple: the railway is not a playground - stay safe and stay out of trouble. Every year we see people risking their lives either by careless actions, such as taking a shortcut across the tracks or by playing on or near the line. Anyone who messes around near the tracks is not only risking a court appearance, they are putting their lives at risk." http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/therailways/Youths-putting-lives-at-risk.6423232.jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 From network rail site.. Penalties for trespass & vandalism Trespassing on the railway is a criminal offence which carries a fine of up to £1,000. A child of 8 years or older in Scotland and 10 years or older in England & Wales can be prosecuted by the police. A child of 12 years or older can be sent to a residential care unit. In Scotland, you will be sent to the Procurator Fiscal who will give you a reparation order which may mean that you have to attend a course or have to take part in community punishment projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I can't open the link on my phone. Ceossing the as a shortcut is not allowed...fair enough... But crossing it to directly access land or water where everyone has the right to recreation is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 If there isnt a proper crossing-then its trespass and only you can make that decision whether to cross the line or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I can't open the link on my phone. Ceossing the as a shortcut is not allowed...fair enough... But crossing it to directly access land or water where everyone has the right to recreation is a different matter. And the OP is wanting to use a shortcut,there is other access.Don't you think that access to railway land to not permitted for a reason.I can tell you from experiance people who are on rail lines when they shouldn't been can get splated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 But in Scotland there is no such.thing as trespassing! And the OP is wanting to use a shortcut,there is other access.Don't you think that access to railway land to not permitted for a reason.I can tell you from experiance people who are on rail lines when they shouldn't been can get splated. shortcut..he is crossing land to directly access land on the foreshore where everyone has the right to shoot fowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) You might want to read this bit again.... Trespassing on the railway is a criminal offence which carries a fine of up to £1,000. A child of 8 years or older in Scotland and 10 years or older in England & Wales can be prosecuted by the police. Just because you haven't seen doesn't means it doesn't exsist. I will seek out a BTP officer at work tomorrow. Edited October 6, 2011 by mr smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yes I know but after asking many people in basc and other shooting organisations I have always been told to access the foreshore for fowling is allowed, you can cross ANY land. As I said before I will be happy to see you prove me wrong. I am just going by what I have been told by people who are there to advise on these matters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 TRESPASS Most people believe trespass to be a minor misdemeanour. In fact, outside of the railway environment, trespass is largely a civil rather than a criminal offence. Within the railway environment Parliament has decided, with very good reason, that trespassing on or near railway lines is a criminal offence. The penalty for an act of criminal trespass on the railways is a maximum fine of £1,000 To the public, trespass doesn't sound very serious. In the environment of the railway trespassers expose themselves, rail staff and passengers to serious danger with, all too often, tragic consequences. The vast majority of people who trespass on the railway are adults - taking a short cut or walking their dogs for example. They are either oblivious to the extremely dangerous position in which they place themselves, and others, or they choose to ignore it. They set a potentially life threatening example to young children who may see them taking a short cut. Trespass very often leads to acts of vandalism. In many cases it is the precursor to it and it is difficult to commit acts of vandalism without first trespassing on or near railway lines. Nicked this from here....www.teachingzone.org/swt/pdf/LegalScotland.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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