legality of taking someone else shooting with you?

[Luke.R]

a friend of mine has just been granted his sgc,so while chatting the flo mentions that its illegal to shoot with somone at a permishion using there rifle/shotgun unless they are the land owner,is this true ? if so how on earth are you suppost to gain shooting experience?

most of us that shoot dont own the land we shoot over,i learnt with my father on his permishions growning up which if this is true was illegal ?

i could have sworn i was told by my flo to get a centerfire granted id have to go with someone who has one to gain some experience and keep a diary of when i went,my use of it and get the owner/mentor to sign it,going on what my friends flo said,surely that would make it illegal?

hopeing somone can give me some clarity on this

[Harnser]

a friend of mine has just been granted his sgc,so while chatting the flo mentions that its illegal to shoot with somone at a permission using there rifle/shotgun unless they are the land owner,is this true ? if so how on earth are you suppost to gain shooting experience?

most of us that shoot dont own the land we shoot over,i learnt with my father on his permissions growning up which if this is true was illegal ?

i could have sworn i was told by my flo to get a centerfire granted id have to go with someone who has one to gain some experience and keep a diary of when i went,my use of it and get the owner/mentor to sign it,going on what my friends flo said,surely that would make it illegal?

hopeing somone can give me some clarity on this

Thats totally nonsense . If your friend has a shotgun certificate and has the permission of the land owner or the sporting Tennant then he can shoot . If he didn't have a certificate he could still shoot with the owners permission and in the company of the owners agent using an estate gun or rifle .

 

Harnser .

Edited October 11, 2011 by Harnser

[Luke.R]

So the flo is wrong in saying until he has his sgc he wouldn't be allowed to shoot at my farm permissions using my rifle/shotgun even tho he has the land owners permishion and would be under my supervision ?

Edited October 11, 2011 by Luke.R

[TJ91]

if he has SGC and is over 15 he can borrow anyones shotgun and shoot with it over any land where he has permission

 

So the flo is wrong in saying until he has his sgc he wouldn't be allowed to shoot at my farm permissions using my rifle/shotgun even tho he has the land owners permishion and would be under my supervision ?

 

in your first post you say he has just been granted his SGC...does this mean he has it or he has been told he will get it but hasnt recieved it yet??

[Dekers]

Someone is a bit confused here!

 

[deershooter]

I dont think this is quite right is it not the "estate Rifle" clause your quoting. Not sure that is the same for shotgun without certificate is this not why clay grounds have a section 15 license to allow people without a certificate to shoot, best to check with the home office guidance to the police to make sure.

 

Deershooter :sly:

[Luke.R]

if he has SGC and is over 15 he can borrow anyones shotgun and shoot with it over any land where he has permission

 

 

 

in your first post you say he has just been granted his SGC...does this mean he has it or he has been told he will get it but hasnt recieved it yet??

 

hes been told he will get it but hasnt recieved it yet,thanks for the replys so far guys i just couldnt quite get my head around what his flo said

[Breastman]

The legislation for borrowing/using someone elses Section 1 firearms and Section 2 shotguns is different, and its confusing the matter to mention 'estate rifles' because he's talking about a shotgun.

 

Whether or not you can us someone elses shotgun in the circumstances you descibe ultimately lies on your FLD's interpretation of the word 'occupier' in the legislation. This is something that any revision in the legislation will iron out but until then, if you chose to ask you FLD, you have to go by their interpretation of the word, and it sounds like yours is using the most narrow/harshest interpretation.

 

Mark

Edited October 12, 2011 by Breastman

[The Essex Hunter]

The legislation for borrowing/using someone elses Section 1 firearms and Section 2 shotguns is different, and its confusing the matter to mention 'estate rifles' because he's talking about a shotgun.

 

Whether or not you can us someone elses shotgun in the circumstances you descibe ultimately lies on your FLD's interpretation of the word 'occupier' in the legislation. This is something that any revision in the legislation will iron out but until then, if you chose to ask you FLD, you have to go by their interpretation of the word, and it sounds like yours is using the most narrow/harshest interpretation.

 

Mark

 

This is where there the problem lies with all of the counties in England; they all interpret the guide lines differently! Which is wrong to the point of being absurd?

It should not be left up to the personalities of people to interpret the Home office guidelines.

The system need to be standardized across England to make it more effective for all concerned and proper training given to all departments. Every thing is in place, it just falls down when poorly trained people put their spin on the Home Office guide lines.

 

TEH