Imperfection Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 They were obviously told to move and therefore have to pay the pennalty for ignoring their request.I dont see a problem with what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 They were obviously told to move and therefore have to pay the pennalty for ignoring their request.I dont see a problem with what he did. Indeed they were. I'm just surprised how calm the other students were when their mates were gassed. I'd expect a mini riot if that happened over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 They should have offered them drugs or booze they would have been very compliant . First time away from the apron strings they imagine them selfs as adults . When they get into the real world then they must learn that they are playing with the big boys . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I would think the politicians would understand that violence will not make the protestors go away. perhaps solving the problem would be better, what harm were they doing? They were sitting on the path someone could have tripped over them Send in the water cannon I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 all within reason ...............................but the sooner the world wakes up and see's what a namby pamby world we have with the ridiculous human rights bill the sooner we can get back to a normal law abiding state of affairs . good on the police , if there was a harder penalty for the criminals instead of tea n toast in bed policy we wouldnt have so many **** takers in our country ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 They should have offered them drugs or booze they would have been very compliant . First time away from the apron strings they imagine them selfs as adults . When they get into the real world then they must learn that they are playing with the big boys . Harnser . Harnser,your reply is probably the funniest,but also the most true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Well i cant believe some of the responses to this surely we can embrace the idealism of youth we all had it at one time or another - didn't we?? Personally i dont agree with all what they say or protest against. But given i was on the Rock Against Rascism protests, The Poll Tax Marches and the Miners strikes and saw what our own police were like to us - under political orders, i will always support the right of protest. We should all fight the system because it will be the system that stops us from Shooting - will we all protest if and when that happens - of course we will, but do you think we would get treated any better here if tempers were frayed??? Remember a democracy allows us to protest - what do you want, the right of protest withdrawn?? Then you dont have a democracy. Apologies if i offend anyone but i also have the right to protest too Phew i was in rant mode then - must have been a flashback to the Rock against rascism fracas Smash the system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) Can you think of many protests over the years that have achieved anything though? Looking at it in a percentage of all protests the number is tiny... There was a thread on here the other day about a guy "protesting" during the remembrance day silence and I find this is the common protester type, they seem to just want anarchy not any efficient results, a lot of the time (like dale farm) they are rent a mobs... Personally I think it was a fairly effective way of moving the tree hugging crow strokers.... Edited November 20, 2011 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hi gixer1 - nice to meet you - you're absolutely right but Its not whether they succeed or not its the right to do so and i'm sure each and every one of us would be out on thr streets protesting if the right buttons were pressed. Mine just happen to be social injustice - always gets my back up - oh and all politicians in general 'cos as we've seen they are all bl**dy useless articles who couldn't hold down a real job Remember what The Who said "meet the old Boss, same as the old Boss" Been my mantra for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) You just don't mess with the American police. If you don't know that don't play. Different approach to our police but who is right and who is wrong? All I know is that in America if a policeman tells you to do something you don't stand and argue. You won't win. Not on the day and not the following day in court. Edited November 20, 2011 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hi gixer1 - nice to meet you - you're absolutely right but Its not whether they succeed or not its the right to do so and i'm sure each and every one of us would be out on thr streets protesting if the right buttons were pressed. Mine just happen to be social injustice - always gets my back up - oh and all politicians in general 'cos as we've seen they are all bl**dy useless articles who couldn't hold down a real job Remember what The Who said "meet the old Boss, same as the old Boss" Been my mantra for years Great mantra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 They were students. He should have used Zyklon B. What? Greek toothpaste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Don't see what the fuss is about perhaps we could take a few tips off our American brothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratts Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'll second that mate soon got them out of the way!! Is it me or do they have a certain 'air' about them even on video!! You just wouldn't mess with the police out there would you?! :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 the police need to understand they are not the governments henchmen they are here acting on behalf of the public, who pay their wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 the police need to understand they are not the governments henchmen they are here acting on behalf of the public, who pay their wages. No they're not. They're acting to uphold the law. However in this instance they were acting on behalf of the public by clearing a public right of way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 No they're not. They're acting to uphold the law. However in this instance they were acting on behalf of the public by clearing a public right of way. what about betraying the public trust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 (edited) The Big Boys however , were made to look like cocks in their heavy handedness . Smart uniforms and gear but sent packing by cleverer people more committed to their cause . Many societies have been improved by civil disobedience . Middle East police tactics do not work in the West . Edited November 20, 2011 by vole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caisterboy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Hi Art school nice to meet you too. Personally speaking i'd rather not live in a police state - we had that in the early '80's - Now that should really put the proverbial fox into the chicken coup :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Well, the news is they have been put on desk duties. Hopefully as a precursor to sacking. If anything like this happened at a pro-countryside demo there would be outcry here, the basic principle is the same. Incidentally, they were not obstructing a public right of way, they were on private property which they had licence to be on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 what about betraying the public trust? How have they done that? I've no doubt the 'protesters' would feel betrayed but I suspect most law abiding citizens want to see the law upheld. When students marched in London last year they were treated with kid gloves by the police and we all know what that led to. Sometimes it's far better to make your intentions known straight away. Incidentally, they were not obstructing a public right of way, they were on private property which they had licence to be on. In which case the owner of the property would have made a complaint and asked for them to be moved on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 The Chancellor who authorised the police presence did not authorise them to act as they did. Unsurpisngly she is being lined up for the chop as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 If anything like this happened at a pro-countryside demo there would be outcry here, the basic principle is the same. Eh? The Met did far worse than that at the CA parliament demo a few years back and nobody gave a toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 By here I meant on this forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Anyone recall the argument that field sport enthusiasts are a minority and as such deserve the same protection ? No one else get the impression that our interests may place us at odds with the Law who seem to want to curtail shooting sports ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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