kingnewport Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Can I post my .17hmr to a RFD or has it got to go rfd to rfd? ( it would be sent recorded if I were too ) cheers all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Dont TNT do gun postage ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnewport Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 well the rfd only posts it , ive had an rfd pick up a shotgun via city link before so whats the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderdude Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty certain you can't send a firearm through the post. There are specialist couriers such as rfdnet and I believe TNT did do it though not sure if they still do. I should also apologise as I thought you meant post, as in Royal Mail recorded delivery. Edited November 29, 2011 by Spiderdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 You have to be an RFD I think and either part of the gun trade association or another scheme to use/ be able to courier firearms an RFD may be able to arrange collection from the address on your cert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingnewport Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 That rfdnet looks good but it looks alot of faffing round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickmep Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 clayman on here can arrange collection from your address for delivery to receiving rfd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Theres nothing to stop you "posting" a gun although the Post Office themselves won't carry them. That is because of their own internal policy however not law. The only thing you are not allwed to do is buy by post. I "posted" my 10/22 off for modification and it was returned to me the same way. Thats what they told me to do. I must admit to being a bit anxious about the whole thing and would be if I had to do it again, but it was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Conditions of carriage for Royal Mail, Parcel Force and all carriers do not allow fire-arms etc to be sent by domestic senders. If you send them and they are lost, no compensation and a big problem with your licensing dept explaining the loss. Trade Members of BASC have a group contract with Parcel Force for RFD gun transfers. Trade members of the GTA have a group scheme with TNT for the same. RFD account holders who have been approved CAN send guns ParcelForce and TNT ( and one or two other carriers), but to be both legal and insured you need to arrange this via the contract holder. Even RFDs have no gun sending facilities within Royal Mail std post. If you take a brown paper parcel to the PO and post it, they will take it as they don't know the contents - but if lost or damaged you have no come-back as the contents are prohibited items under their terms of carriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 A RFD can arrange collection from you and return it to you for a repair etc but not a sale. You need a trade account to arrange to use TNT for section 1 & 2 weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 A RFD can arrange collection from you and return it to you for a repair etc but not a sale. You need a trade account to arrange to use TNT for section 1 & 2 weapons I'd be interested to know where you can reference this. My understanding is that an RFd can remote collect, sales or repairs, but the only type of repair that could be returned to a SGC holder would be a component repair, not a whole gun. The returning RFD has a responsibility in law to ensure the gun is returned into the hands of a SGC holder, and sending a gun by courier to a domestic address is not doing everything reasonable to ensure the security of the weapon. Only F2F handover achieves this with verification of the SGC's right to receive, and a carrier at the door can't do this. The movement of spare parts and components as large as a barrel set are considered to be accessories, and not whole guns, and these can be moved without a receiving RFD, but its my view any workshop returning whole guns direct to customers would be viewed to be at fault if the gun fell into the wrong hands on delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigeonEater Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 im not 100% but i can tell you there s a lot of mis information on this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Its important there is clarity on this subject, so what is mis-inforation that needs clarification? I usually reference both the GTA and my Firearms Licensing Manger if there is a grey area, and specific interpretation of the Fire-arms Act is required. Different forces can adopt different views on things not specifically outlined in the Firearms Act, and things like terms of acceptable carriage are different for Sec1, Sec2 and Air-arms. I'm talking from my own experience as a user of GTA's TNT and BACS's ParcelForce group schemes. If others can reference terms or advice that indicates the mode of operation I adopt is incorrect, or there are consents and acceptability under certain circumstances that are beyond my current understanding, I'd be pleased to learn of them, and check them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Well, we, as RFD's return complete guns that have had repairs direct to the SGC holders address with TNT obtaining a receipt from the holder. TNT will carry complete sporting guns and the only question they ask is whether there is ammunution within the case as that is a no no. As a matter of interest most RFD take out separate insurance for goods in transit as couriers like TNT only cover goods at the rate of £15 per kilo and with a best London gun weighing less than 4 kilos you can understand the need for separate insurance. Buyers of guns have to have them sent to an RFD so that the police paperwork can be completed and the buyer's SGC completed with the sale. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 OK This thread started in respect of Sec 1 guns - and, as a repair or not, these cannot be returned to the Cert Holder direct. Sec 8-2b of the '68 Fire-arms Act does provide that a Shotgun can be returned direct after a repair ( this assumes the certificate was produced when the gun was handed over for repair in the first place) Further: Home Office - Firearms Law Guidance to the Police 2002 Chapter 6 - Exemptions from the requirement to hold a certificate. Auctioneers, carriers, warehousemen and their servants. 6.19 The exemption in section 9(1) of the 1968 Act is limited to possession in the ordinary course of the business of the auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman..... Exemption under S9(1) Firearms Act 1968 (wording from the relevant legislation) (1)A person carrying on the business of an auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman, or a servant of such a person, may, without holding a certificate, have in his possession a firearm or ammunition in the ordinary course of that business. S14 of the 1988 Act requires that an auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman takes reasonable precautions for the safe custody of the firearms, ammunition in their or their servants' possession in the course of their business...... So, sec 1 repairs not mentioned in the FAact and not allowed, and Airguns covered by the VCR act can be sent by pvte individuals but not by the trade other than to another RFD. Cant find any mention of Airgun repair returns, so seems this is not covered by the FAact nor mentioned or permitted in the VCR act - any-one have a view on return of Airgun repairs by the trade to pvte individuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) OK This thread started in respect of Sec 1 guns - and, as a repair or not, these cannot be returned to the Cert Holder direct. Unless Carrier is RFD (I think this hoe RFDnet works?) I know of/have heard of at least one company that have their own "driver" who collects and delivers guns to and from clients. Something thing I have never actually got my head around is "what is an RFD?" is it the individual or the company? If comapny can all employees act as RFD under the terms of the RFD? IF all employees is there a requirement for them to be checked by police? to: A work in an RFD? B work as an RFD? C Posses firearms? Something else is companies like GMK/BWM aren't (as far as i am aware) RFD's so how does it work with their staff? Same for the few UK based manufacturers? Edited December 4, 2011 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 An RFD can be an individual or a Company. As a company, GMK etc are warehousemen, and their employees etc are all considered to be servants. the answer is in the earlier post:- viz: Exemption under S9(1) Firearms Act 1968 (wording from the relevant legislation) (1)A person carrying on the business of an auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman, or a servant of such a person, may, without holding a certificate, have in his possession a firearm or ammunition in the ordinary course of that business. S14 of the 1988 Act requires that an auctioneer, carrier or warehouseman takes reasonable precautions for the safe custody of the firearms, ammunition in their or their servants' possession in the course of their business.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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