danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 got some orchards which run for 300 yds with no cross ways most of the rabbits are between 150 200 yds gets to much with 25 06 any ideas danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 .223 should do the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I would recommend a 223rem I used to use one with 50gr Hornady Vmax projectiles out to 350m and more. But for what your after a 22 hornet would work well and so would a 17rem out to the 200m mark but if you want to go out to 300m then I would get a 223rem or one of the new 204 Ruger’s as I have heard good things about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Well, going for long range is NOT the best first option. I would suggest building a rabbit hide and shoot them at say 100 yards or more if using a .17 HMR rifle. I doubt the FLO will give you a .223 if you tell him its for '300 yard rabbits' :o That and it can take years of shooting experiance to shoot small targets at 300 yards. You really have to know what you are doing. Also shooting long range over flat(ish) land will lead to almost certain ricochet hazard. You will be more lucky getting a .17HMR for long range rabbit work good for up to 175 yards! and possibly a tad over on a good day. (with practice) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 .223 or .22 Hornet. From what i see the .17hmr would be good too, but it gets effected by wind a lot apparently, at the ranges you have discribed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I would recommend a 223rem I used to use one with 50gr Hornady Vmax projectiles out to 350m and more.But for what your after a 22 hornet would work well and so would a 17rem out to the 200m mark but if you want to go out to 300m then I would get a 223rem or one of the new 204 Ruger’s as I have heard good things about them. been shooting rifles for 25 yrs my freind but i no were u are coming from shooting with f/o today was thinking 222 don,t no much about 17 never owned one thanks for the info danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 .223 has a better range then .222 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I would recommend a 223rem I used to use one with 50gr Hornady Vmax projectiles out to 350m and more. But for what your after a 22 hornet would work well and so would a 17rem out to the 200m mark but if you want to go out to 300m then I would get a 223rem or one of the new 204 Ruger’s as I have heard good things about them. been shooting rifles for 25 yrs my freind but i no were u are coming from shooting with f/o today was thinking 222 don,t no much about 17 never owned one thanks for the info danno thanks mate i,m using home laods but will try 223 one of my mates as got one but he buys factry ammo danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogo Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 HORNET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never used an FAC rifle but veery intrigued by the ranges some of you mention. In all honesty what range would you expect to group on a 1" diameter target ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 You shouldn't really take a rifle out to shoot live quarry unless you can group less than 1" at 100 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never used an FAC rifle but veery intrigued by the ranges some of you mention. In all honesty what range would you expect to group on a 1" diameter target ? This depends on the wind, what rifle, what ammo, etc etc. Air rifles are very effective (for rabbits ONLY in your case, not fox) but they are very tempermental sometimes. They dont like wind, and they dont like certaint types of weather. This is why I moved to FAC class Rimfire/Centerfire. I set my airguns up PERFECT, and then 4 hours later its all changed From a good FAC air rifle of about 35-40 ftlbs, you should have an effective range, on a good non windy day, of about 70 yards. But thats only with a well tuned quality rifle. This will be more expensive then a medium centerfire of .22 Hornet rifle not kidding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never used an FAC rifle but veery intrigued by the ranges some of you mention. In all honesty what range would you expect to group on a 1" diameter target ? My .223 groups 1/2 inch at 100, 1 1/2 at 200. The Hornet i use to have, grouped 1 inch at 100yds and 2 inches at 200 yds. The Hornet then and now my .223 are both CZs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never used an FAC rifle but veery intrigued by the ranges some of you mention. In all honesty what range would you expect to group on a 1" diameter target ? i think that says it all well said that man danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Frank! I get to play with the tripple on Wednesday, il let you know how that goes Though I am wearing it in, so groups may be a bit poorly due to cleaning after each shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Frank! I get to play with the tripple on Wednesday, il let you know how that goes Though I am wearing it in, so groups may be a bit poorly due to cleaning after each shot. Ok Hunter, looking farward to the results, be sure to try different brands of ammo and try and do it in dead calm conditions to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miffy Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Frank! I get to play with the tripple on Wednesday, il let you know how that goes Though I am wearing it in, so groups may be a bit poorly due to cleaning after each shot. Good luck with the grouping and the first fox will be in the sporting pics section soon i'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 I have a box of Federal 50grain soft nose, and a box of ballistic tip Winchester. Cant wait to try it out. Is there any recoil on a .222? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Is there any recoil on a .222? Same as the .223, a tad less, but not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Good. I like a bit of recoil My mentor will allow me to shoot some of his stalking rifles too. Will be a good day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trakker01 Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 HORNET, easy peasy..........good nite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Never used an FAC rifle but veery intrigued by the ranges some of you mention. In all honesty what range would you expect to group on a 1" diameter target ? i think that says it all well said that man danno just got in been playing on range with mates and f/o just got 25 06round sorted very impressive out to 400 yds will be very interested in what u find out thanks danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danno2506 Posted May 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Frank! I get to play with the tripple on Wednesday, il let you know how that goes Though I am wearing it in, so groups may be a bit poorly due to cleaning after each shot. Good luck with the grouping and the first fox will be in the sporting pics section soon i'm sure been chattin and shootin most of the day been given a load to try if i get one if any of your mates load it,s 22 g of reloader 7 50 g v max head danno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 22-250 no doubts but i am talking proper long range rabbits, way past anything the hmr can manage i would steer clear of the hornet, not a very fast round even with 35grainers, effected by wind alot, and due to lack of energy it drops like a stone past 150yards. .222 or .223 would be another fine choice, learn your trajectory well and they would be good on bunnies at 400 maybe a little further. However then your into serious long range, cross winds, thermals, heat haze, uphill down hill i will be using my .223 (if it ever arrives) for bunnies and crows mainly, as i find it more fun than foxing. On the hornet accuracy note, our brno hornet is singing with the handloaded 35grain hornady Bt's shoots very nearly as well as the .222 and 6.5, so on the accuracy stake dont discount it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 What nobody seems to have mentioned is that a rabbit hit by a 22-250 or a 223 is fit for the bin Even when going for headshots you can very easily have bits of neck flesh hanging off. I used to shoot with a friend using his 22-250, and rabbits up to 250 yards were easy - as you would expect. However, this was on a rabbit clearance job, and fox bait was about the best we achieved. Hunter - it will be interesting to read your comments on your first rabbits with you 0.222 Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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