Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Following my previous video on tracking foxes where the wind noise made it almost impossible to hear what was being said I have had a better day wind wise so I have remade the video. This video is aimed at novices to foxing and those wanting to learn about tracking and locating "Charlie". There is still unfirtunately some wind noise even though I have added a small wind filter but you can hear what I am saying much more clearly. If you want to add CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS, comments or questions please feel free to do so, but if you wish to make any other comments regarding my appearance or anything personal please direct them to me via PM so that this thread can stay as a purely informational one for those that want to learn and appreciate it. Thanks for watching guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Excellent video Frenchie, thanks. One small bit of constructive criticism if you don't mind? Could you edit out some of the bits where the camera is just swinging backwards and forwards out of focus or just looking at the grass etc. Only happens in a few places but I had to turn away as it made me feel Ohter than that, superb as ever and I look forward to hearing of the successful conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) :unsure: Excellent video Frenchie, thanks. One small bit of constructive criticism if you don't mind? Could you edit out some of the bits where the camera is just swinging backwards and forwards out of focus or just looking at the grass etc. Only happens in a few places but I had to turn away as it made me feel Ohter than that, superb as ever and I look forward to hearing of the successful conclusion I take your constructive criticism on board but that is a difficult thing to do as it would mean loosing some of the naration which is relevant to the tutorial. I will however make a point of bearing that in mind for future videos and try to avoid doing that. Thanks for pointing that out to me - If I don't know what people want in the future I can't do it for their benefit mate so this is the sort of things that I am asking for so as to improve the whole situation! Edit: This video might seem "basic knowledge" for the many "more experienced foxers" out there so if you guys think that I have missed any important points or got anything wrong please feel free to point it out for the benefit of the novices who want to learn as much as possible! Edited December 2, 2011 by Frenchieboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 :unsure: I take your constructive criticism on board but that is a difficult thing to do as it would mean loosing some of the naration which is relevant to the tutorial. I will however make a point of bearing that in mind for future videos and try to avoid doing that. Thanks for pointing that out to me - If I don't know what people want in the future I can't do it for their benefit mate so this is the sort of things that I am asking for so as to improve the whole situation! Fair do's Frenchie, still ten times better than I could do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Just wondering why you are thinking of using a steel load instead of lead? At 20-25 yards and through a tight choke I would think good pigeon load would do the trick better than a steel load with #3 shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the poacher Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 a cracking video frenchie as allways will we see the video of you humainly shooting the fox....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Just wondering why you are thinking of using a steel load instead of lead? At 20-25 yards and through a tight choke I would think good pigeon load would do the trick better than a steel load with #3 shot. There's a simple answer as to why I have opted for size 3 steel shot instead of lead: I rarely use a shotgun for foxes, I much prefer to use my .243 rifle when taking out foxes! However, because the likelyhood of me being able to get within such a close "shotgun" range of this one I wanted something a little heavier than my uaual "pigeon and crow loads" and in a 3 inch magnum. These cartridges (Gamebore Steel Shot Mammoth 3" Heavy Load) came in a box of ten and were less than half the price of the lead ones. It was purely for financial reasons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) a cracking video frenchie as allways will we see the video of you humainly shooting the fox....... I hope so. It is now all down to waiting for the right weather conditions early in the morning as I would have to be there and set up by about 7:15ish. I have brought a new camera tripod so that things like this can be filmed on video without the recoil from the gun effecting the camera or the film quality! Edit: Just as a foot note which ties in with that, I have just been invited on a deer cull on Tuesday so hopefully I will be able to get some video footage of that too! Edited December 2, 2011 by Frenchieboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 There's a simple answer as to why I have opted for size 3 steel shot instead of lead: I rarely use a shotgun for foxes, I much prefer to use my .243 rifle when taking out foxes! However, because the likelyhood of me being able to get within such a close "shotgun" range of this one I wanted something a little heavier than my uaual "pigeon and crow loads" and in a 3 inch magnum. These cartridges (Gamebore Steel Shot Mammoth 3" Heavy Load) came in a box of ten and were less than half the price of the lead ones. It was purely for financial reasons! I'm amazed!! After your recent post asking what cartridge to use for fox you've gone against all advice and opted for a duck load!! http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/186833-which-12g-cartridge-for-fox/ I find it sad that you'd put the cost of a couple of decent fox cartridges above the need for a swift and decisive kill, especially coming from someone who claims that 'wounding is not an option'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nice little video Frenchieboy i enjoyed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm amazed!! After your recent post asking what cartridge to use for fox you've gone against all advice and opted for a duck load!! http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/186833-which-12g-cartridge-for-fox/ I find it sad that you'd put the cost of a couple of decent fox cartridges above the need for a swift and decisive kill, especially coming from someone who claims that 'wounding is not an option'. I am sorry but although I do not want to argue the point I fail to understand what you are getting at! In your previous post you clearly said that a pigeon load at that sort of range would be more than adequate! Quote "At 20-25 yards and through a tight choke I would think good pigeon load would do the trick better than a steel load with #3 shot." If a pigeon load would do the job in a satisfactory job at that range then how will a 35grm of 3 shot steel not do so please. I personally believe that a 35grm load of size 3 steel shot will effect a good clean kill at 25-30 yards with no chance of just wounding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I am sorry but although I do not want to argue the point I fail to understand what you are getting at! In your previous post you clearly said that a pigeon load at that sort of range would be more than adequate! Quote "At 20-25 yards and through a tight choke I would think good pigeon load would do the trick better than a steel load with #3 shot." If a pigeon load would do the job in a satisfactory job at that range then how will a 35grm of 3 shot steel not do so please. I personally believe that a 35grm load of size 3 steel shot will effect a good clean kill at 25-30 yards with no chance of just wounding! Simple really. Hundreds of fox are killed each year with shot size 5 & 6, mainly when flushed on game shoots. It's a well known fact they work. How many fox have you shot with steel loads? How do you know they'll work? You're taking a big chance just to save a few pence, and that, in my opinion is wrong, especially as you're filming the deed for newbies. It doesn't set the best example in my eyes. You go ahead and do what you want, but personally I'd have used the money you spent on a camera tripod to buy some decent cartridges. It's all about priorities to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratts Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 As a newbie to fox shooting it's helped me to know what signs to look out for and the shotgun references mean nothing to me as I'll be using a wmr on them from less than 100yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi1210 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ..... .......They will work....... ..... i always buy the cheapest carts for everything, never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_evil Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Re; editing it Frenchie, are you on mac ? If so, open the video on Imovie and strip the audio from this one and add it onto the older video if that one has less of the grass swinging stuff Or if the older video is better but doesn't match the narration you can also strip the audio and record over it with your voice just using the images and put a soundtrack in if you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well done Just a suggestion for the newbys why don't you show the clock method to prove the times that it's been seen to show that it works ......good on ya You could also do a video on how you do your style of lamping As people have different styles it's sometimes good to learn from others M1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Well done Just a suggestion for the newbys why don't you show the clock method to prove the times that it's been seen to show that it works ......good on ya You could also do a video on how you do your style of lamping As people have different styles it's sometimes good to learn from others M1 These are all reasonable suggestions/requests and things that I am in fact going to be working on in the future, this is why I titled the video "Foxing Tutorial Part 1", there will be more videos on foxing to follow but they will take a little time to produce. As for using the clock method on this one I don't think that it is necessary as the fox has been seen numerous times between 07:45 and 08:15 in the morning passing through this field over the last couple of weeks. However I will quite likely show how the clock method can be used to an advantage in a future video hopefully. Thank you for your thoughts and comments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Cracking Vid FB well done........ When checking fences for hair, runs, earths and the like I use a pair of plastic gloves I have rubbed often on rabbit skin to try to min leaving any of my own scent about, i also rub down my boots. I go looking for earths around feb onwards and make a mental note of what i have so i can keep an eye on them as once things start to grow it gets harder. Charlie has a good sense of smell and a vixen in cub will move if she feels any threat and when she has its back to finding her and her mate again and it may not be on my patch keep up the good work field sports TV beckons Edited December 2, 2011 by pavman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 What a great tip Pavman, certainly something that I hadn't thought about but will think about doing in the future. As I said many times before, I do not profess to be an expert and I realise only too well that there is always something more to learn. Through hints and tips like yours we can all help to "educate" each other If anyone else has any of these very useful hints and tips please do add them so that we can all broaden out knowledge and field craft skills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zabala Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Really enjoyed watching the clip, found it very interesting and informative. The way which you have put it all together, doing the narrative as you filmed and not over editing, gives it all a very natural feel almost like being alongside you on the day. Look forward to the next, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) What a great tip Pavman, certainly something that I hadn't thought about but will think about doing in the future. As I said many times before, I do not profess to be an expert and I realise only too well that there is always something more to learn. Through hints and tips like yours we can all help to "educate" each other If anyone else has any of these very useful hints and tips please do add them so that we can all broaden out knowledge and field craft skills! your welcome pete A pigeon will work as well as long as you mask your sent..... for working a cam corder i think latex garage workers gloves would be fine (the ones that keep oil off the skin)very thin...... i have seen them in boots, that or next time you fill the truck get the free ones at the pump services Edited December 2, 2011 by pavman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark the hat Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 if you want any gloves pete ive got a couple of boxes going spare you can have, and nice informative video as well mate atb mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ..... .......They will work....... There's also a good chance you'll get ricochets with them, but hey let's not let safety and respect for your quarry cloud the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikka.223 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Good video Pete. Looking forward to seeing the fox dispatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Better audio this time Nothing wrong with the cartridge choice will do the job fine remember no more than half choke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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