Axe Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 How do you protect the innocent if they are at home, tucked up in bed at that time of night? By getting rid of unruly youths driving around taking pot shots at rabbits on an industrial estate! Wheres my popcorn, this is getting good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Axe, what is armed traspass in a public place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Hey rabid b you been bitten by a mad dog or something? careful it's catching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young gun Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 How do you protect the innocent if they are at home, tucked up in bed at that time of night? Just because it was late at night and there was no one obviously about dosn't mean there wasn't or couldn't have been people about it was dark they would have been difficult to see and just the fact it was a trading estate means there is likley to be people around. Its the same principle of shooting at a rabbit in front of a hedge, just because you can't see that someone is there dosn't mean there isn't. besides its only a matter of time untill someone is there when they decide to shoot at some more rabbits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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the lizard Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Axe, what is armed traspass in a public place? RB, I figure you must either be a lawyer or an amateur philosopher. As Snakebite says : "I have come to the conclusion that he must be a troll coming in here and poking it up. If he isn't then well as far I'm concerned he doesn't belong here." the Lizard P.S. if you're interested in discussing applications of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem for problems of recursion within Artificial Intelligence algorithms, do let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Axe, what is armed traspass in a public place? Yes point taken, but you know what I ment. Anyway, cant stop i'm too busy howling at the moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 RB, please do us a favour and **** off. I hear the LACS need a few more ****heads as some of theirs got locked up the other day. You obviously think you are clever and to be honest you should really know better. The responsible shooters on this forum have made their feeling towards you clear. So just go away. You think that it is OK to turn a blind eye to this irresponsible behaviour, I only hope that any offspring of yours don't grow up with the same attitude because quite frankly it stinks MC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Whatever those kids were doing at that time of night is none of our business. We are not policemen. It appears that some on this forum like to take the moral high ground and judge others when it is none of their business. I am a responsible shooter, I shoot many pests and enjoy doing so. If others wish to shoot beyond the law, that is up to them, it`s only illegal if you are caught. People that judge others are rarely whiter than white themselves. This is an open forum and we are all free to state what we like in a polite manner. I politely suggest I am entitled to my point of view and can see the other side of a one sided debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lizard Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 it`s only illegal if you are caught. This statement is factually INCORRECT. the Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I would be the first to admit that I am not "whiter than white" but I have never and would never condone the actions by anyone who see's fit to shoot any kind of gun on public land. To make a statement like "it is only illegal if you are caught" shows how irresponsible you are. Does that mean that the people who stole all that money in kent a little while ago weren't doing anything wrong? Why shouldn't we take the moral high ground? After all actions likethe ones of those kids and attitudes like yours need some sort of defence. If you consider common sense to be the moral high ground then once again sir you are grossly mistaken. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 The trouble is RB your not putting your point across very well. I think most of us understand your notion but when you say things like 'its only illegal if you are caught' is not helping your cause. Sticking your head in the sand at such activities is not very responsible at all. I can agree that not reporting this would keep it out of the public eye, but thats only temporary. As no doubt these youths would eventually be caught and possibly for something much worse. This is a public forum and we are free to speak our minds, but when advocating criminal activity, expect to be shot down in flames. A responsible person is not going to say its okay for this behaviour if no harm is done, particulary one that uses a gun and should/does know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maori Haz Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 well said axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I second thee Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Whatever those kids were doing at that time of night is none of our business. We are not policemen. It most certainly is our business. It's events like this, and Dunblane and the continuing use of air weapons (and others) by idiots and criminals that brings the powers that be down on our heads. The ongoing calls for more and more legislation and outright ban on guns is all due to the publics perception that the people who use them are bad news. We all get tarred by the same brush and jokers like you rb don't help. You say 'a one sided debate' but in your case I'd say it's a 'massdebate'. You're so off the mark you a) must be an anti and should be banned from PW and in general, if you take the attitude that it's nothing to do with me unless it directly involves me then what right have you to be part of this human race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Highlander, :o :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 RB does have a point in certain ways. A:- we don't know what weapon they were using B:- we don't know they didn't have permission after all Industrial areas can be private property so they may have been there legitimately. Being one who has had the police called a few times while shooting legitimately I rather like for people to ask whats going on before requesting an ARV or helicopter. I know local estates who lamp foxes off country lanes and I've been known to take the odd rabbit from a vehicle at night on quiet lanes, obviously the rabbits are on land I have permission on. Only the person behind the trigger knows if its safe may not be legal in the eyes of the law but lots of people do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I expect that this thread will soon have the fat trimmed! Some of the comments are boardering on insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 AL4X don't get sidetracked. If you read one of my earlier posts I think we've all agreed (for the sake of arguement) to take LordA's post as read and assume rightly or wrongly that the incident took place as described. The debate is whether or not such activity is right or wrong, what we all think and what one should do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Well yes we may not know the exact weapon they were using and yes we may not know if they had permission. However, the right course of action would be to report this. If they have permission and are responsible, they would have let the Police know of thier intended movements and all would be well. If not, the Police would react to the report and take the required action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 AL4X don't get sidetracked. If you read one of my earlier posts I think we've all agreed (for the sake of arguement) to take LordA's post as read and assume rightly or wrongly that the incident took place as described. The debate is whether or not such activity is right or wrong, what we all think and what one should do about it. its very relevant as without knowing if its legal all we can offer is an opinion. He states its an illegal modification of an airgun, as far as I know you can do what you like with an airgun. It was also dark at the time. I'm really just saying calling the police is all well and good but when you are shooting legally an ARV turning up is not what you want so just think and possibly ask the question before running off and calling the plod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I know local estates who lamp foxes off country lanes and I've been known to take the odd rabbit from a vehicle at night on quiet lanes, obviously the rabbits are on land I have permission on. Only the person behind the trigger knows if its safe may not be legal in the eyes of the law but lots of people do it. How many wrongs make a right? None that's how many. So what if the rabbits are on the land where you have permission, you are not. you are right in saying that we don't know the weapon but that doesn't matter, the fact is it was a weapon. We don't know if they had permission, once again it doesn't matter if they are acting irresponsibly. Some industrial areas can be private property but the public have a right of way over them otherwise you would never get any customers. My front garden is private property yet I would be fairly foolish to be shooting there. The arguement that plenty of people do it doesn't hold any water as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatingisbest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 there are plenty of 'young lads' who do the job properly such as myself. Once i heard that a chav tried to saw off a springer but made the barrel so short that he could never cock the gun ever again! just shows the intelligence of the people who decide to do this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 The arguement that it may well have been legal activity doesn't make it OK. Again, if as LordA says this bunch of lads were acting irresponsibly then that should be a concern to all legitimate shooters because it's that kind of activity that leads to us all being banned from keeping, owning and using guns. Driving a car is legal, driving recklessly is plain stoopid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid bunny Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Tell me, do any of you drive your vehicle in excess of the speed limit? Some laws are just stupid, like having a speed limit outside a school. At first glance you would think I`m stupid for stating that. When you look deeper though, what`s the point of a speed limit out side a school at 3 o`clock in the morning? Just try to see it from both sides, is what I`m saying. I did not say I agree with lads hanging out the window of a car with an air rifle, Just what`s the harm in it for discussion perposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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