12 Gauge Dave Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Hey folks I've been trying to find a permission to shoot on for the past few months and have had no success on any of the doors I have knocked. I am looking to shoot wood pigeon ect with my shotguns, but I have found that every farmer just says "I've already got someone shooting here son". I'm starting to get the impression that because I'm only 19 they don't want me near their land with a shotgun. I have been shooting clays for almost a year now and feel I am more than capable of shooting from a safety point of view, as far as learning about decoying ect and the theory of shooting pigeons, I have bought a copy of John Bately's - The complete guide to pigeon shooting and read up on here and other sources from the web. I feel there is really only so much theory you can learn without actually getting out there to see what works best which is obviously a problem at the moment. When asking for permission I always state that I am a member of the BASC and am insured ect. So really I would just like to see if there is anyone of a similar age having the same problem or am I just over thinking about it . Or would sending out letters be a good option without stating my age as it shouldn't matter? Of course I will carry on regardless in the hope of one day finding a permission to shoot on Cheers for any replies Edited December 13, 2011 by 12 Gauge Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 as you can see its never easy, you'd think being a full time pestie, I'd get pigeon permission easy, but it took me just under 3yrs to find somewhere, so your few months aint nothing, I would say, maybe try a different approach, as if they have a problem with say rats, its something not everyone wants to do, but it gets you in there, do a good job, and they would probably let you go on the pigeons too my permission was to control rabbits, when I asked for the pigeons he replied that he had plenty doing that already, I therefore carried on the rabbits, but texted him each time I saw fields of pigeon, telling him to get his other shooters on it, within 6 weeks, I had pigeon permission too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 As above. It took me a year to get my permissions and the people have known me since I was 9!! It's not anything your doing wrong and it's certainly not your age! Don't get downhearted there is people 3 times your age that struggle. I firstly started controlling rabbits and rats which then got me 3000 aches of arable land to control, maybe try a few letters or get some cards made. You need to take any chance you can. Rats,ferals,rabbits and I'm sure it will turn unto something better.maybe try and get out with some experienced shots and learn from the start atb matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 No. Give up, sell all your kit and your soul. Or keep trying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I think one of the best ways into permission is to get Yourself involved in beating, network with beaters and guns,make some new pals and doors will start to open hopefully. You just have to keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Have you looked at the East of Scotland Association for Wildfowling and Conservation.ESAWC. I know wildfowling is`nt pigeon shooting but you`ll have instant access to a network of people who DO have access to the pigeon shooting you`re after. Once you join you are immediately in a better place than you are at the moment. If you`ve had no luck finding any shooting for yourself you`ve pretty much got nothing to lose by looking at the above. And who knows,you might even find you enjoy wildfowling. Obtaining shooting is all about networking and a wildfowling club is the best place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Hey folks I've been trying to find a permission to shoot on for the past few months and have had no success on any of the doors I have knocked. I am looking to shoot wood pigeon ect with my shotguns, but I have found that every farmer just says "I've already got someone shooting here son". I'm starting to get the impression that because I'm only 19 they don't want me near their land with a shotgun. I have been shooting clays for almost a year now and feel I am more than capable of shooting from a safety point of view, as far as learning about decoying ect and the theory of shooting pigeons, I have bought a copy of John Bately's - The complete guide to pigeon shooting and read up on here and other sources from the web. I feel there is really only so much theory you can learn without actually getting out there to see what works best which is obviously a problem at the moment. When asking for permission I always state that I am a member of the BASC and am insured ect. So really I would just like to see if there is anyone of a similar age having the same problem or am I just over thinking about it . Or would sending out letters be a good option without stating my age as it shouldn't matter? Of course I will carry on regardless in the hope of one day finding a permission to shoot on Cheers for any replies just keep knocking doors theyl crack before you do .i worked at a tractor dealership and out of 500plus customers i only got 1 permission in 5 years,foot n mouth losing theyre animals put a stop to that .so im permissionless myself but il keep asking .try the farmgate page of AGNET its a free adds page for farmers put yourself on there as a rabbit/pigeon basher .keep going cos theres more pigeons need a slap than farmers can deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) just keep knocking, asking, be polite wear some decent clothes, turn up in a nice car borrow one if you have to, be knowledgable, explain you are willing to shoot ferals rat rabbits not just one specific thing, i have been told no so many times but the people that have given me permission get given a decent bottle of drink, gates shut, rubbish picked up they apreciate this trust me...... its not your age ive been knocking from youner than you and got permissions but hell of alot more no's, whos asking, what is it to do with you, f off, fake phone numbers, etc etc keep knocking and offering as you are doing each other a favor i personally wouldnt do beating for anyone Edited December 18, 2011 by theosmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I think one of the best ways into permission is to get Yourself involved in beating, network with beaters and guns,make some new pals and doors will start to open hopefully. You just have to keep at it. This is the best way to get shooting without doubt i started beating and after the first season had 3000 acres and the year after started on another shoot as well and got 1000s more acres this is most definitly the easiest way to get shooting imo ask around buddy and you will find it good luck.... just keep knocking, asking, be polite wear some decent clothes, turn up in a nice car borrow one if you have to, be knowledgable, explain you are willing to shoot ferals rat rabbits not just one specific thing, i have been told no so many times but the people that have given me permission get given a decent bottle of drink, gates shut, rubbish picked up they apreciate this trust me...... its not your age ive been knocking from youner than you and got permissions but hell of alot more no's, whos asking, what is it to do with you, f off, fake phone numbers, etc etc keep knocking and offering as you are doing each other a favor i personally wouldnt do beating for anyone Why not? Edited December 18, 2011 by tigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Why not? most of the people that go beating wont gain a shoot out of it maybe a day or 2 of shooting, and im not snobery nor do i look down upon people but i just wouldnt go and do that for people, when i know i can find shoots my 4 are way more than enough and i know where there is others to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 most of the people that go beating wont gain a shoot out of it maybe a day or 2 of shooting, and im not snobery nor do i look down upon people but i just wouldnt go and do that for people, when i know i can find shoots my 4 are way more than enough and i know where there is others to be had. Have You ever been beating chap? It might not be relevent for You - but for the OP its another avenue to explore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 its called an opinion, thats the whole point of a forum i believe to share information and opinions. i have not told him to not go beating i told him my opionion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Simple question My friend Cant see why You think I am dismissing Your opinion? I just wandered why You felt the way You do so strongly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) because i have better things to do with my time for my self, not something i find interesting, and yes i know some people love this and its there way of life but its not mine its not a strong opinion but yes if i had spare time and a friend said do us a favor and help do a bit of beating then yes id give him a hand but wouldnt go out of my otherwise Edited December 18, 2011 by theosmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Fair do's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg123 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 A different angle prehaps but have you tried buying goods from any local farms? Not big farm shops but anywhere you see a sign such as eggs/potatoes for sale. Buy a litle from as many different ones as you can. Visit 3 or 4 times to get your face known before raising the subject of shooting. Also agree that it cant hurt to try beating if you have the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewj Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 im 16 i got 3 sets of permission from family friends and one from the shooting rights owner of the sourounding land of my local club, the first permission i got by myself was a fornight ago on the way to a clay shoot i started talking to a farmer as he was watching his sheep from the fence post and basicly got onto talking how he ought to get rid of them crows and said i gave him a hand and said i was about to get my sg and also get insurance with crimbo money he said yeah and told me to come back may - july time for the crows on the crops and also offered me geese and duck bashing in season as he has a flight line going other several of his feilds in total i got 5 -6 decent sized feilds of permission for a 5 min talk with him, just try get your self out there and ask a few folk just be polite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12 Gauge Dave Posted December 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2011 A different angle prehaps but have you tried buying goods from any local farms? Not big farm shops but anywhere you see a sign such as eggs/potatoes for sale. Buy a litle from as many different ones as you can. Visit 3 or 4 times to get your face known before raising the subject of shooting. Also agree that it cant hurt to try beating if you have the time. The "buying goods from loacl farms" sounds like a great idea, I will definatley give this approach a go. Cheers 12 Gauge Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg123 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 The "buying goods from loacl farms" sounds like a great idea, I will definatley give this approach a go. Cheers 12 Gauge Dave Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIVERD Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 getting the first permission is the most difficult - by far. Once you have this you will be amazed, folks may actually call you and ask you to help. This happened to us (3 of us shoot together) I maaged to get a couple of fields, with no game. This lead to 300 acres of roe, pigeon, rabbit and fox shooting. When this went well we got another 500 acreas of roe, red, and all the rest! We were delighted. A days and night shooting a week lead to a couple of thousand acres and now we shoot over 15000 acres for all species, in various areas. We are really lucky, we got this quick, and in some areas it takes longer, but keep chipping away and ground will come, and expand. there is actually plenty to go round and i know of thousands of acres of basic ground that never sees a gun. it will only have ground gane and pigeons, but if you have enough of it it makes a good day out. Keep on calling, door knocking and speaking to people. If you can make personal contact and folks trust you you are in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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