holly Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I Feel its Wrong to fit second hand tyres on Road Vehicles, its False economy, and you really dont know the history, if people with City and Guilds Motor Vehicle Craft studies (involving Two Hard Years Day release at "college") feel i'm wrong then So be it. It is just My Professional Opinion but there you go maybe my C an G MVCS I II III and Technicians years 3,4 and 5 and CPC and Bla Bla Bla i could list Ten or More Professional Qulifications O and Two Years as Transport Manager for a Fleet of 200 Vehicles from light vans to 38 ton 44 ft units and trailers are Wrong Make your own minds up , Your life is in Your hands here here :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I can't see that it is false economy to get a part worn as someone as thrifty to get a part worn won't let a tyre fitter put a near bald one one and drive away happy :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I can't see that it is false economy to get a part worn as someone as thrifty to get a part worn won't let a tyre fitter put a near bald one one and drive away happy :lol: Whats that mean in English ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 Whats that mean in English ? What does that mean in English? It means why is getting a near new tyre false economy? It means getting a tyre fitted that is a fraction of the price with little use that does the same job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeedoodlepigeon Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 I am not saying they are not less dangerous than new tyres but could you post a link to someone using part used tyres causing accidents that a new tyre would not have as every thing can fail new or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 What does that mean in English? It means why is getting a near new tyre false economy? It means getting a tyre fitted that is a fraction of the price with little use that does the same job I see , So you go over to part worn pete buy a tyre with 4mm of tread on it, over half worn and with 2.4mm of useable tread You paid £20 ? call it £8.30 per mm Your New Tyre 100% safe with 10mm of tread for £40 with 8.4 mm of useable tread costs you £4.70 per mm Simple maths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I see , So you go over to part worn pete buy a tyre with 4mm of tread on it, over half worn and with 2.4mm of useable tread You paid £20 ? call it £8.30 per mm Your New Tyre 100% safe with 10mm of tread for £40 with 8.4 mm of useable tread costs you £4.70 per mm Simple maths Its only simple maths if you are comparing like brands of tyre. A part worn top end tyre for 20 sheets could well last longer than one for 40 new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Its only simple maths if you are comparing like brands of tyre. A part worn top end tyre for 20 sheets could well last longer than one for 40 new. Except Top end tyres are made of softer compounds to grip better , so they wear out quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Right, good nights sleep, no longer feel tyred or worn so will tread one more time (said in the father of Sittingbourne lass tone) :lol: Many moons ago, when my only worry was getting invites to parties a mate of mine worked for McDonalds, I say worked but he really grafted his ace off, did everything they said and went everywhere they pointed to try and get high in management. He used to buy cars at Parkers auction then regularly put used rubbers on as he did horrendous mileage in them days back and forth between different branches. I actually remember his hunts for tyres being a regular thing, he had no choice. He got into well paid positions within Mac's that way and did so well he eventually got poached by people opening branches in Egypt and was earning really good money when he moved his young family there in 83 I think. He brought up a lovely family that way, last time I saw him was 15 years ago and he'd made a point of hiring a new Merc for the duration of his stay over here. He told me it was because he could afford it now. The gamble paid off for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) You'd love Cuba Vince. You should see how they keep their rides going out there. We've a few Cuban friends one of which works on cruise ships. He's privileged to be allowed to own a car. Its a late 90's golf which out there is like a Bentley. He buys oil when they dock and changes it annually when he's home. The waste oil is then sold on to grateful punters. Sorry to go off topic The part of North London, Kingsbury, where Gary had his workshop was not too dissimilar to Cuba, if you get my meaning. The suspects for the brake pads was a big dodgy minicab firm almost opposite him. Now if you want to talk about dodgy motors you should have seen some of the ones being used there. I bet they used part worn tyres and to me thats the image it brings to mind. Garages don't throw old brake pads away anymore, people come and collect all the scrap metal these days. Edited February 4, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Right, good nights sleep, no longer feel tyred or worn so will tread one more time (said in the father of Sittingbourne lass tone) :lol: Many moons ago, when my only worry was getting invites to parties a mate of mine worked for McDonalds, I say worked but he really grafted his ace off, did everything they said and went everywhere they pointed to try and get high in management. He used to buy cars at Parkers auction then regularly put used rubbers on as he did horrendous mileage in them days back and forth between different branches. I actually remember his hunts for tyres being a regular thing, he had no choice. He got into well paid positions within Mac's that way and did so well he eventually got poached by people opening branches in Egypt and was earning really good money when he moved his young family there in 83 I think. He brought up a lovely family that way, last time I saw him was 15 years ago and he'd made a point of hiring a new Merc for the duration of his stay over here. He told me it was because he could afford it now. The gamble paid off for him. And your point is > ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 And your point is > ? I think what Hamster is saying is that his mate did many 1000's of miles using part worn tyres and lived to tell the tale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 And your point is > ? Just saying we'd all shoot Holland & Hollands and drive Bentleys out of choice but reality is very different for most of us particularly when starting out. Nobody picks part worn because they're better, matter of Hobson's choice sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just saying we'd all shoot Holland & Hollands and drive Bentleys out of choice but reality is very different for most of us particularly when starting out. Nobody picks part worn because they're better, matter of Hobson's choice sometimes. Any port in a storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeds chimp Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just saying we'd all shoot Holland & Hollands and drive Bentleys out of choice but reality is very different for most of us particularly when starting out. Nobody picks part worn because they're better, matter of Hobson's choice sometimes. nah rather have a hatsan and a scoda.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 My wifes car has done 4000 miles. Lets just suppose that today, out in the snow she hits a massive pot hole. The tracking is out and it goes in for repair. The garage advise it would be safer to replace the tyre so its done. What ultimately happens to that tyre? Does it get scrapped or does somebody else end up with it on their car? thats the question. Not safe for my wife's car but OK for somebody elses? How can that be right? Just because some tyre fitter wants to earn a little bonus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 My wifes car has done 4000 miles. Lets just suppose that today, out in the snow she hits a massive pot hole. The tracking is out and it goes in for repair. The garage advise it would be safer to replace the tyre so its done. What ultimately happens to that tyre? Does it get scrapped or does somebody else end up with it on their car? thats the question. Not safe for my wife's car but OK for somebody elses? How can that be right? Just because some tyre fitter wants to earn a little bonus? I think you'll find if a car wheel hits anything herd enough to affect it's wheel alignment, you would have suspension damage too, along with a distorted wheel and most likely a blown tyre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I think you'll find if a car wheel hits anything herd enough to affect it's wheel alignment, you would have suspension damage too, along with a distorted wheel and most likely a blown tyre. Driver writes off Car hitting pebble in the road Massive delays, upside down car, Bodies Strewn over the M25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) I think you'll find if a car wheel hits anything herd enough to affect it's wheel alignment, you would have suspension damage too, along with a distorted wheel and most likely a blown tyre. And your point is? I thought the thread was about re-selling dodgy tyres. Thats what would happen to the tyre in this little story, assuming it didn't actually blow. What might happen to the wheel and suspension is irrelevent. Try and keep up. Edited February 7, 2012 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 And your point is? I thought the thread was about re-selling dodgy tyres. Thats what would happen to the tyre in this little story, assuming it didn't actually blow. What might happen to the wheel and suspension is irrelevent. Try and keep up. I think I am keeping up but you seem to misunderstand what I say, a tyre involved in your little scenario would be damaged, the damage would be visual, the tyre may not inflate if fitted to another rim. For wheel alignment (tracking) to be afected by hitting a pot hole metal will have been distorted, the tyre if not blown out will show signs of damage, IE bulges or splits. No mechanic or tyre fitter would sell and fit a tyre in that condition. Now!! Anyone fancy a pint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) I think I am keeping up but you seem to misunderstand what I say, a tyre involved in your little scenario would be damaged, the damage would be visual, the tyre may not inflate if fitted to another rim. For wheel alignment (tracking) to be afected by hitting a pot hole metal will have been distorted, the tyre if not blown out will show signs of damage, IE bulges or splits. No mechanic or tyre fitter would sell and fit a tyre in that condition. Now!! Anyone fancy a pint. Its You that is missing the point, it wouldn’t take much of a bump to knock out the Tracking/Wheel alignment/Camber/Caster angles what ever you want to call it, this would not always show damage to the tyre although it may well have caused damage to the tyres internal structure, which may not show its ugly head right away. The sensible thing after any bump is to get your car looked at by a Competent Mechanic, it only has to be knocked out by a small amount (a Minute or even a few seconds)to cause your tyre to wear out prematurely The original Question was asking advice on weather it was worth fitting Used tyres, my views (As a Transport Technician) are it’s Not a Safe or Money saving option and Never will be, Ask (when you next come across one) Any Qualified Competent Technician the same Question. His/Her answer will be the same as mine. You stick to your Pint and remember Not to Drink and drive Wb Edited February 8, 2012 by wabbitbosher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Nothing is 100% safe, used tyres are obviously safe enough, or else we'd have had hundreds of people rolling their cars every day (not even talking about used 2nd hand purchased, talking about the fact we all drive around on used tyres all the time, many of which take a knock or three). If you have a puncture what do you do, not use your used 2nd hand spare cos you don't know its hissshtory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR1960 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 In an ideal world everyone would be able to afford nice shiny new tyres. Sadly we don't live in a perfect world. I see enough tread strips off retreaded commercial tyres on the side of the motorway to know that. There's no guarantee a remould will be perfect either but I bet plenty of people use those. If it's a choice between running low treads or getting some part worns i'd take the part worns everytime. Obviously there is a risk in buying a s/h tyre, but how many of you replace your's after kerbing it, or if you buy a s/h car? No-one? No thought not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratman2 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 The point I can't seem to get some people to understand is, if a car hits a pot hole with enough force to knock the wheel alignment out the tyre involved will have visual damage, the wheel will have visual damage, suspension and steering joints will be damaged. wabbitbosher, I NEVER drink and drive. I now take a bow and leave this one alone, and beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikky Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 thanks everyone...got the car checked today only needed 2 tyres on the front,,,common sense prevailed and i had 2 new ones put on mikky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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