cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 my pup a cocker spaniel, who lives outside in a kennel wont stop barking. he starts at around 5am and will bark for hours. he dose it pretty much every morning. ive racked my brains for a way to stop the dog without giving it the attention it wants. and he will stop as soon as he hears the house door lock 'click' so you lose the window of opportunity to get him in the act. the only thing i can come up with is chucking half a bucket of water at kennel, but seen as its cold atm its not the best idea. only other way ive dealt with barking dogs is electric collar but im not wanting to use that on a pup. pup is 15/16 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 You could let it get in bed with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 That age is way too young to start on e-collars- though exactly what i should do with an older problem dog under these circumstances. even you opening the window has become some reward. Could you put a radio alarm in the kennel programed to come on a good 40mins to 1 hr before disturbence starts? Destraction might be a good move, then collect the dog very soon after it goes off? hence it never barked at all (nothing to solve, other than an early rise for you) Have you another dog in the house to which it has become attached? could you palm the noisy little blighter off onto another mug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockermax Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Heard of owners setting up a Hose pointed at the kennel and attached to the house, so that when the dog barks you turn on the hose in the house so it does not see you & give it a quick blast. Also you can buy an anti bark collar which releases a harmless citrous spray automatically when the dog barks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Heard of owners setting up a Hose pointed at the kennel and attached to the house, so that when the dog barks you turn on the hose in the house so it does not see you & give it a quick blast. Also you can buy an anti bark collar which releases a harmless citrous spray automatically when the dog barks. The hose would train my Lab pup to bark- he ruddy well loves it, even in sub zero conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 That age is way too young to start on e-collars- though exactly what i should do with an older problem dog under these circumstances. even you opening the window has become some reward. Could you put a radio alarm in the kennel programed to come on a good 40mins to 1 hr before disturbence starts? Destraction might be a good move, then collect the dog very soon after it goes off? hence it never barked at all (nothing to solve, other than an early rise for you) Have you another dog in the house to which it has become attached? could you palm the noisy little blighter off onto another mug? ive just let it bark. so its never had any reward for doing so. i only know it stops when it hears the lock go from when i leave for work. Heard of owners setting up a Hose pointed at the kennel and attached to the house, so that when the dog barks you turn on the hose in the house so it does not see you & give it a quick blast.Also you can buy an anti bark collar which releases a harmless citrous spray automatically when the dog barks. the pond was froze over this morning, so im not wanting to wet it. that and i dont want to use water as a punishment. could cause problems later. i have a remote collar aswell as a bark. i might put the remote collar on him on the lowest setting. its such a light shock i carnt feel it on my wrist. i test all 10 settings on my wrist so i know exactly what it feels like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosebank22 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 im not a personal fan of these collars. what did the old trainers do before these were invented?!?! could you try a radio in the kennel? or could you pup be telling you it wants to go to the loo ? as they wont go in there beds - mine wont even think about doing anything in her cage or anywhere in the house now. theres loads of reasons why a dog may start barking, is there anything in the garden it is alerting you to every morning? just a few ideas, i might be completely wrong though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 im not a personal fan of these collars. what did the old trainers do before these were invented?!?! could you try a radio in the kennel? or could you pup be telling you it wants to go to the loo ? as they wont go in there beds - mine wont even think about doing anything in her cage or anywhere in the house now. theres loads of reasons why a dog may start barking, is there anything in the garden it is alerting you to every morning? just a few ideas, i might be completely wrong though old trainers would just of beat the dog till it got the message. its only a recent thing that trainers have rewarded dogs for doing good. not wanting to go to the loo,its a kennel dog and its bed and run are separate. its got a run that it dose toilet in. and nothing to start it barking. that was my first thought when it was barking at 7am, but he now starts earlier and finishes later. electric collars are good. aslong as there not miss used. and i tried all the power settings on me first. even the bark collar, i was nervous about sticking it on my throat and barking, but if im sticking it on the dog its only right i know what im letting it in for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) anti bark collar, the auto ones.they make a sound when the dog barks then after three barks they zapp em.not enough to hurt it. used one on my patterdale pup, mine doesnt bark just howls and sobs...hate it Edited February 19, 2012 by washerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian1513 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Did the pup always bark in the kennel when you first got it? All pups will yelp and and bark at first, i've always found a bottle of water splashed into their faces with a firm no always works, its just being consistent and getting out of your bed as soon as it starts. As for it causing problems later, it hasnt for any of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 ive just let it bark. so its never had any reward for doing so. i only know it stops when it hears the lock go from when i leave for work. Can we assume then you are not letting it out and giving it any attention before you go to work? based on the above statement. Reward in the dogs mind might be different from yours- opening the window and telling might be enough, even opening the window after that. Can i just say i feel this is comming across real bad from your side, i am not sure if its just bad wording or not " its got it's run to go relieve itself" also view the above etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) ive just let it bark. so its never had any reward for doing so. i only know it stops when it hears the lock go from when i leave for work. Can we assume then you are not letting it out and giving it any attention before you go to work? based on the above statement. Reward in the dogs mind might be different from yours- opening the window and telling might be enough, even opening the window after that. Can i just say i feel this is comming across real bad from your side, i am not sure if its just bad wording or not " its got it's run to go relieve itself" also view the above etc ive never said/done anything to it. ive never opened the door and shouted at it or anything. and it dosent come out of the kennel before i go to work. as for the other bit. if your asking if its stuck in thee kennel 24/7 the answer is no. the gf walks it 3 times a day and it gets half hour training a night and it pees and poos in its run. so toileting isnt the answer Edited February 19, 2012 by cockercas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 anti bark collar, the auto ones.they make a sound when the dog barks then after three barks they zapp em.not enough to hurt it. used one on my patterdale pup, mine doesnt bark just howls and sobs...hate it i have one. but please strap it to your throat and bark to set it off. then come back and tell me it isnt enough to hurt it. i know how powerful that one is even on its lowest setting because i have tried it. thats why im reluctant to use that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 i tried them on me and did f88k all, i cant have a noisy terrier. try keeping a howling terrier and have the rspca knocking on your door the naughbours keep chickens, and cockerals but i HUNT and i get the agro one rule for one and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 ive never said/done anything to it. ive never opened the door and shouted at it or anything. and it dosent come out of the kennel before i go to work. as for the other bit. if your asking if its stuck in thee kennel 24/7 the answer is no. the gf walks it 3 times a day and it gets half hour training a night and it pees and poos in its run. so toileting isnt the answer Your earlier post says you cannot correct as it stops as soon as the door is heard click. I feel like i have failed my dogs if they deficate in the run BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian1513 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 A dog will always stop barking when it hears you coming or see's you, you have correct the bad behaviour ASAP regardless. Splash the dog with water and give it a firm no. Walk out of site and as soon as it starts again, repeat and reapeat until it gets the message that barking wont get it what it wants. This usually takes a few hours but like anything with any dog if you put the time in you get the rewards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Thats ok, but mine was sat in his straw filled bed howling.couldnt get near the little **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom&Dexter Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 16W old and gets 3 walks and 30 mins training ? Sounds a lot Is She in the kennel on her own ? When is the last time she has any human contact of a night prior to the barking ? Have you/ could you try getting up and out with the pup early and doing 15 mins training prior to work then 10-15 after work instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 16W old and gets 3 walks and 30 mins training ? Sounds a lot Is She in the kennel on her own ? When is the last time she has any human contact of a night prior to the barking ? Have you/ could you try getting up and out with the pup early and doing 15 mins training prior to work then 10-15 after work instead i know what your thinking lol. its not mile walks. it gose 30 yards around the corner onto the grass. good point tho that pups shouldn't be over excised. yes kennelled on its own. and 9 pm for feeding and wash out. its reduced the barking. nothing this morning and only 4 barks yesterday morning. oh and kent. i dont have enough hours in the day to make sure the dog gets out at a set time everyday. you want to try a day in my life. so if the dog needs to pee/poo then he has somewhere to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom&Dexter Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Good stuff hope its going to get better I would say its bored on its owne for the periods of time you have said and the routine you say the dog keeps at 16w its very young cockers in perticular love company Can you not extend the period of time it has with you of a night have it in the house for a hr or so stick it out in the kennel later or cate it in the house till you go to bed and stick it out side of a evening, up early have it out for 15m training in the morning etc I would almost put money on this improving the behaviour Iam not by any means saying let the dog rule your life style be at it becan call but it is a very youn pup at the end of the day Best of luck and keep us posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 i know what your thinking lol. its not mile walks. it gose 30 yards around the corner onto the grass. good point tho that pups shouldn't be over excised. yes kennelled on its own. and 9 pm for feeding and wash out. its reduced the barking. nothing this morning and only 4 barks yesterday morning. oh and kent. i dont have enough hours in the day to make sure the dog gets out at a set time everyday. you want to try a day in my life. so if the dog needs to pee/poo then he has somewhere to go. I had a period like that in my life and had to give up dogs a while. Your answer lies in your last sentence, its down to you how you handle it and i realy don't want to be rude about it just honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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