old rooster Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 I've just received a brochure from our local government offices listing the adult learning courses on offer. As one of the working class I get to pay £60 for such things as Painting and Drawing, Bridge (that's the card game not how to build them) Cake Decoration, Indian Cookery, Ballroom Dancing or Holiday Spanish, £90 for Golf for beginners and £120 for Advanced Yoga. Al essential things to be able to do to improve ones chances of becoming a contributing member of society. You'll be pleased to hear that "asylum seekers in receipt of income based benefit (assistance under the terms of the 1999 Immigration and Asylum Act) and their dependents" get a remitted fee, in other words they get it for free. The same applies to out of work and low income people. So when you are next out on the golf course using up one of your precious few holiday days off work don't be surprised to see a bunch of dusky lads in their early twenties who have obviously fled an oppresive regime "playing through" under careful tuition from the golf pro. Aren't you just proud to live in a country where your hard earned cash is so reasonably redistributed on your behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 In fairness Old Rooster, most of those day time "Adult Education" classes are aimed at retired people and are not designed to help you gain employment. My 83 year old Mother in Law attends a Yoga Course and a Flower Appreciation Course (arranging, etc), under the Adult Education Scheme. People in receipt of OAP and income related benefits, receive a reduction in fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Perhaps you could let us know does the money for the remitted fees come from the government or from the other course fees and how many people take up the courses and are in receipt of benefit ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 There all the same now, pan crackers on benefits mobility with a dodgy bad or just too fat to walk Isn't paying taxes in England wonderful Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 On a positive note, if such a thing is allowed, a lot of 'them' get jobs doing stuff none of us would want to do. You won't get served a pub within a 30 mile radius of where I live by anyone other than a eastern blocker these days, so if nothing else they have driven the whinging Ausies out of a job And I have heard, from a friend, that the talent in the local lap dancing bar is all eastern block now and looking very good How about this. I need my house needs re-pointing. No brickie likes pointing they avoid it like the plague. I had a card through the door amonth or so ago advertising Polish Builders, I binned it. It has just taken our local building company 2 months to come round to quote, and now they say we need a scoffold tower so we will get someon out to quote for that as well, he did - a month later. Ask me if regret binning that business card now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Wait a second here...... I have paid my taxes for years.. helped people with all types of problems when I worked for the NHS and never cared or considered if they had money or not... I busted my back side always helping people.... Being a paramedic (at the time) Yes I am american.. but have lived here for 10 oops 11 years now... I am on mobility... and the only reason for this is a idiot who was drinking and driving took my freedom away.... I am also on disability living allowance... and do you know I am struggling from what I made as a paramedic... to the pathetic amount I get! Dont get me wrong I am happy I am getting something.. but as you said " There all the same now" I am sorry I dissagree!!!! I can hardly walk to a toilet and had to sell most of my car collection .. apart from one..... which i cant drive.... and I paid alot into my tax etc.. and think that there are people who abuse the system... (who should be wipped) and others who genuenly need it... I would trade places with anyone here!!! youth age what ever.. just to go back to work again! and do the job I loved! so were not ALL the same! ps I am not a aslym seeker... but I am a immigrant. There all the same now, pan crackers on benefits mobility with a dodgy bad or just too fat to walk Isn't paying taxes in England wonderful Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted July 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 People in receipt of OAP and income related benefits, receive a reduction in fees. Fair go mate, they've usually made some contribution througout their life, the asylum seekers (NOT people granted asylum you note) get it for free. That was my real point here. Eastern block individuals are not usually asylum seekers but now workers from other legitimate EU countries. Try getting your lad an apprenticeship in this country now though. The employment rules foisted on us by the EU make it virtually impossible. We've also actively encouraged (or at least not discouraged) a lazy, slovenly attitude in people who now believe that the welfare state will support them from cradle to grave. Trouble is there are fewer and fewer working to support those who aren't and in some cases have no intention of ever working and IMHO it just ain't good enough !!!. Its the same with idiots who get into massive debt by having no self control over their credit card spending, they will never pay them off and it all reflects in the cost of living for the responsible people. It's about time we got away from this nannying and obsession with political correctness. Just waiting to be accused of being a nazi or nasty old right winger now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 ok ur a nasty gitt... KIDDING I understand your point but that one comment made me very mad. I shouldnt have jumped like that ... but at the end of the day there should have been more to the comment ie thought behind what was said... I had to jump through hoops to get my job... my wife a full time employed head of year teacher busts her back side to have every month taken off her salary nearly 800£ very simmilar to what i had from taxes, national insurance, and pension... As I said.. give me a new back... I will jump on the ban wagon any time.. infact I am still looking for a surgeon to perform a very new opperation that may/may not help .... it is only just out in the usa and also just out in the uk... and has a okish turnover.... where they can replace alot of your discs and also fuse it to higher discs etc which will support my spinal cord. One risk it permantly being paralysed... but that is something I am seriously considering... even if I have to go into massive debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 So just out of interest how much does mobility and disability living allowance come to per month. How much is this package worth a month. I interested Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jonrms Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 So just out of interest how much does mobility and disability living allowance come to per month. How much is this package worth a month. I interested Jonno I am on the highest rate of pay.. and its 259£ per month. I can honestly say that i am living it up... NOT!!! Although I do not have to pay car insurance for me or my career and I dont have to pay car maintance... the only thing I have to pay with my car is petrol... still not good though is it? Wanna trade places?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Some of the subsidy on Adult Education comes from the local Council tax, I believe Libraries are funded in a similar way. Our benefits system is certainly not over generous and is open to abuse and fraud. Its the genuine Claimants that have to suffer for that abuse and fraud, as money is filched out of the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Wanna trade places?? No thanks cos that would make me an American and I one certainly doesn't want that Jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 i think old rooster is having a dig at the proffesional scroungers not the genuine cases , imo if you're disabled or unemployed (for a genuine reason) you should be entitled to a decent (equal to anyone in full time employment) standard of living provided by the state , if however you are a professional scrounger then you should recieve next to nothing , i come into contact with people on both sides of this fence and feel so sorry for the genuine cases , i have a mate that was relatively well to do with his own business , he always worked hard and payed his dues until he found out that he has some kind of illness that's causing his spine to crumble, he's now only months away from a wheelchair , some days he's unable to even take himself to the toilet , he gets certain benefits but barely enough to live on , i also know a family that live not too far away that have made carreers out of fleecing the state , on certain days(family get togethers) i see a fleet (up to 15) of motability cars lined up at the bottom of my street , i happen to know that the father of the clan has been recieving benefits for just over 30 yrs(a fact that he's very proud of and finds very funny) , none of his many offspring have ever worked (legaly) and i dread to think how much this family are costing the state , most of his extended family work on a casual basis and some of them are burglars/professional shoplifters , an annoying little thing that sticks in my mind is the day i was outside my house waiting to pick my wife up from hospital after a major operation , one of his many children(30 yrs old ,wife and 2 kids but never had a job) walked past me and started a conversation telling me that he was off to the local swimming baths for a swim and a sauna as they only charge £1 if you're unemployed , he then goes to a community centre that does a full english breakfast for £1.50 if you're unemployed , it really made me happy to know that most days the muppet was having a swim / sauna / breakfast while i'm busting my balls at work to pay for it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted July 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 i think old rooster is having a dig at the proffesional scroungers not the genuine cases , imo if you're disabled or unemployed (for a genuine reason) you should be entitled to a decent (equal to anyone in full time employment) standard of living provided by the state , if however you are a professional scrounger then you should recieve next to nothing , i come into contact with people on both sides of this fence and feel so sorry for the genuine cases , i have a mate that was relatively well to do with his own business , he always worked hard and payed his dues until he found out that he has some kind of illness that's causing his spine to crumble, he's now only months away from a wheelchair , some days he's unable to even take himself to the toilet , he gets certain benefits but barely enough to live on , i also know a family that live not too far away that have made carreers out of fleecing the state , on certain days(family get togethers) i see a fleet (up to 15) of motability cars lined up at the bottom of my street , i happen to know that the father of the clan has been recieving benefits for just over 30 yrs(a fact that he's very proud of and finds very funny) , none of his many offspring have ever worked (legaly) and i dread to think how much this family are costing the state , most of his extended family work on a casual basis and some of them are burglars/professional shoplifters , an annoying little thing that sticks in my mind is the day i was outside my house waiting to pick my wife up from hospital after a major operation , one of his many children(30 yrs old ,wife and 2 kids but never had a job) walked past me and started a conversation telling me that he was off to the local swimming baths for a swim and a sauna as they only charge £1 if you're unemployed , he then goes to a community centre that does a full english breakfast for £1.50 if you're unemployed , it really made me happy to know that most days the muppet was having a swim / sauna / breakfast while i'm busting my balls at work to pay for it . Exactly what I was meaning, there are thousands of people out there who have made a conscious decision to live off our backs and never go to work. Some breed massive families to get the benefits and I'd wager the next generation do the same. Now we can add asylum seekers to the list of scroungers we have to subsidise. Seekers, not those granted asylum is my beef. We all know only too well how many of them are just young guys looking to find an easier life, can't knock them for having the cheek to try it on but we need to ship them back where they came from sharpish when their claims fail. As for the professional scroungers they should be left to starve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 i think old rooster is having a dig at the proffesional scroungers not the genuine cases , imo if you're disabled or unemployed (for a genuine reason) you should be entitled to a decent (equal to anyone in full time employment) standard of living provided by the state , if however you are a professional scrounger then you should recieve next to nothing , i come into contact with people on both sides of this fence and feel so sorry for the genuine cases , i have a mate that was relatively well to do with his own business , he always worked hard and payed his dues until he found out that he has some kind of illness that's causing his spine to crumble, he's now only months away from a wheelchair , some days he's unable to even take himself to the toilet , he gets certain benefits but barely enough to live on , i also know a family that live not too far away that have made carreers out of fleecing the state , on certain days(family get togethers) i see a fleet (up to 15) of motability cars lined up at the bottom of my street , i happen to know that the father of the clan has been recieving benefits for just over 30 yrs(a fact that he's very proud of and finds very funny) , none of his many offspring have ever worked (legaly) and i dread to think how much this family are costing the state , most of his extended family work on a casual basis and some of them are burglars/professional shoplifters , an annoying little thing that sticks in my mind is the day i was outside my house waiting to pick my wife up from hospital after a major operation , one of his many children(30 yrs old ,wife and 2 kids but never had a job) walked past me and started a conversation telling me that he was off to the local swimming baths for a swim and a sauna as they only charge £1 if you're unemployed , he then goes to a community centre that does a full english breakfast for £1.50 if you're unemployed , it really made me happy to know that most days the muppet was having a swim / sauna / breakfast while i'm busting my balls at work to pay for it . Exactly what I was meaning, there are thousands of people out there who have made a conscious decision to live off our backs and never go to work. Some breed massive families to get the benefits and I'd wager the next generation do the same. Now we can add asylum seekers to the list of scroungers we have to subsidise. Seekers, not those granted asylum is my beef. We all know only too well how many of them are just young guys looking to find an easier life, can't knock them for having the cheek to try it on but we need to ship them back where they came from sharpish when their claims fail. As for the professional scroungers they should be left to starve. Sound good to me.What about tagging all the pan crackers at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 i think old rooster is having a dig at the proffesional scroungers not the genuine cases , imo if you're disabled or unemployed (for a genuine reason) you should be entitled to a decent (equal to anyone in full time employment) standard of living provided by the state , if however you are a professional scrounger then you should recieve next to nothing , i come into contact with people on both sides of this fence and feel so sorry for the genuine cases , i have a mate that was relatively well to do with his own business , he always worked hard and payed his dues until he found out that he has some kind of illness that's causing his spine to crumble, he's now only months away from a wheelchair , some days he's unable to even take himself to the toilet , he gets certain benefits but barely enough to live on , i also know a family that live not too far away that have made carreers out of fleecing the state , on certain days(family get togethers) i see a fleet (up to 15) of motability cars lined up at the bottom of my street , i happen to know that the father of the clan has been recieving benefits for just over 30 yrs(a fact that he's very proud of and finds very funny) , none of his many offspring have ever worked (legaly) and i dread to think how much this family are costing the state , most of his extended family work on a casual basis and some of them are burglars/professional shoplifters , an annoying little thing that sticks in my mind is the day i was outside my house waiting to pick my wife up from hospital after a major operation , one of his many children(30 yrs old ,wife and 2 kids but never had a job) walked past me and started a conversation telling me that he was off to the local swimming baths for a swim and a sauna as they only charge £1 if you're unemployed , he then goes to a community centre that does a full english breakfast for £1.50 if you're unemployed , it really made me happy to know that most days the muppet was having a swim / sauna / breakfast while i'm busting my balls at work to pay for it . Exactly what I was meaning, there are thousands of people out there who have made a conscious decision to live off our backs and never go to work. Some breed massive families to get the benefits and I'd wager the next generation do the same. Now we can add asylum seekers to the list of scroungers we have to subsidise. Seekers, not those granted asylum is my beef. We all know only too well how many of them are just young guys looking to find an easier life, can't knock them for having the cheek to try it on but we need to ship them back where they came from sharpish when their claims fail. As for the professional scroungers they should be left to starve. Sound good to me.What about tagging all the pan crackers at the same time what's a pan cracker ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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