shooter55 Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 I have a 15 month old springer,sits quiet in the hide,no problem with shooting over her but my problem is she wont bring the pigeons back to me.Ive tried her on the long lead,etc,etc.But she runs off playing with the birds and ive lost a load of coming in birds because of this.Great in the back garden where im training her and not forgetting shes still puppy..........advive needed.........Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Maybe you are just too good at building hides that the dog can't find you ........ Sorry i'll go now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayano3 Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Leave the dog in the hide until you have finished shooting. Let it collect a few after you have finished. If she dont come back with the bird turn away and walk away from her until she finally comes to you. The minute shes back still walk backwards a few yards and then stand still or walk a couple of paces towards her and get her to present you the bird. As for the winged ones in the decoy pattern, what would you do without a dog ?? do that. This worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter55 Posted March 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Thanks ayano for ur reply mate ill try that the nexk time im out but i have tried walking away but still wants to play.ill try it ur way ........ thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I wouldn't take the dog shooting again until you get this sorted. You say she's fine in the back garden, is that with dummies, cold pigeons or freshly shot pigeons? Whichever it is you don't go straight from your back garden to sitting in a hide, there are a few training steps to be put in to smooth the transition. What is she like on training ground, other than the back garden? What is she like being sent from the hide for a dummy with no decoys out, no shot and no shot pigeons lying about? What is she like being sent from the hide for a cold pigeon following a shot, again with no decoys, shot birds etc? Try all of these things. From the dog's perspective, simulate your pigeon shooting and focus on the dog and its training rather than on your shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter55 Posted March 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Thanks WGD for ur reply,ill try want u said but this little dog is fine only for that bab habit she has and still wants to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefy Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Maybe you are just too good at building hides that the dog can't find you ........ Sorry i'll go now nice one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccles Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Do as WGD has suggested :good: There is a big difference between the basic side of training to the finishing of a young dog to the finish shooting one.This is were the real fun begins.Do as WGD has said and don't shoot again until he's does what advice WGD has given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Keep walking away or start to run away, good excerise while out walking, I hide from my dog and let him find me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eccles Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Keep walking away or start to run away, good excerise while out walking, I hide from my dog and let him find me I don't think this will help him with his problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I wouldn't take the dog shooting again until you get this sorted. You say she's fine in the back garden, is that with dummies, cold pigeons or freshly shot pigeons? Whichever it is you don't go straight from your back garden to sitting in a hide, there are a few training steps to be put in to smooth the transition. What is she like on training ground, other than the back garden? What is she like being sent from the hide for a dummy with no decoys out, no shot and no shot pigeons lying about? What is she like being sent from the hide for a cold pigeon following a shot, again with no decoys, shot birds etc? Try all of these things. From the dog's perspective, simulate your pigeon shooting and focus on the dog and its training rather than on your shooting. As above Also give it a good old run about before you deposit it in the hide before your reach this point again following more training, i had to do this with my GWP or he was a right pain unsteady, fidgiting etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I don't think this will help him with his problem. no i think your right. i guess you have to be more fun then playing with the birds.... have you tried calling him back in a higher pitch voice and squatting down ect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 As WGD has said, there is a huge differance to working in the back yard and hunting from the blind, and you are missing alot of the steps inbetween. For myself I would back right up to working the recall with dead birds and bumpers. First the back yard, then light cover, then heavy cover, then in fields you plan on hunting. No gun just regular obediance in all the areas, heeling, sitting, recall, retrieve. Once the dog is steady and working 100% I would move on to working these exercises with someone shooting at nothing off to the side, until once again the dog is 100% steady. I would then as WGD has said work the dog from a hide, and then a hide with decoys, and then finally into a hunting situation. If at any time you run into trouble back up a step and reinforce the training. This trining all takes time and consistancy, it is also part of the fun of owing a dog, so do not rush it! Take your time and keep it fun for both you and the dog. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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