welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Are Beretta 28 bores built on a true 28 bore action or is it a 20 bore action? I'm looking at a SP 1 or 3 and don't want a 20 bore with skinny barrels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Interesting question, I believe only very high end guns are built on true bore platforms. I can't say it would matter in the handling department though, possibly quite the opposite as the lighter you go, the reduced mass makes follow through a more conscious effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 But it would make the mass behind the hinge pin and stock heavy making it harder to swing. More forward weight helps you start the swing and maintain it, but to much make the gun feel over heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) Id be amazed if it was on a true 28g action. Edited March 30, 2012 by EdSolomons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I believe some are still 20 actions about, making a 28 heavier than a 20. A few years ago only eells came here on 28 actions. But sometime (about 6-8 years ago?) plain 28g 686sp's appeared on a scaled action ... that's when I got mine. I was told that true 28 actions had been available in the US well prior to coming here ... hence their 410 combos. Looks like a 'check carefully job?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 But it would make the mass behind the hinge pin and stock heavy making it harder to swing. More forward weight helps you start the swing and maintain it, but to much make the gun feel over heavy. There are ways of compensating for rear weight bias which I'm sure manufacturers are aware of and utilise. Weight forward doesn't suit everyone incidentally, mine are always set up to balance behind the hinge pin. In practice I really can't see that it matters on mid grade guns. When it comes to £silly money grade you need to justify the costs in both appearance and ultimate balance, even if that balance doesn't necessarily outshoot a regular grade gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 The main reason for me asking is the wife is getting a sp in 20 bore I want a 28 if both guns use the same action I can get a set of 28 bore barrels for the 20 bore. Working out £500-600 cheaper but if it is a true 28 action then I want a true 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeker Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 looks like you could be buying two guns .... just think how difficult a good shoot would be with one action and two sets of barrels will be .....! ....' your bird .... sorry I was changing barrels', .... or worse... 'its my turn with the action' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 She only shoots clays I want the 28 for game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berelli Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Since about three years ago all 28g , .410g guns are on "true" scaled actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Since about three years ago all 28g , .410g guns are on "true" scaled actions. Cheers it looks like an older 20 bore for the wife and a nearly new 28 bore for me then my son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 look into this,a while back beretta did a model that came with both a 20b set and 28b set,it was on a 20b action,with the 28 barrels modified to fit,they are rare and expensive,but a std 28b barrel probably will not direct fit a std 20b action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 Since about three years ago all 28g , .410g guns are on "true" scaled actions. News to the rest of us it seems. Where did you get the information that since three years ago all 28g and 410 guns have been built on scaled actions? It's been standard practice NOT to do this due to costs, can't see what would suddenly change that for all manufacturers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 She only shoots clays I want the 28 for game On the face of it buying a gun with 2 sets of barrels makes sense but I would say two guns are the way to go as you will both be able to shoot on the same day that way. I know game can't be shot on a Sunday but you may have meant rabbits etc, plus you may shoot game on a Wednesday when she could go and shoot clays instead of sitting at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Since about three years ago all 28g , .410g guns are on "true" scaled actions. It is also my understanding that the later Silver Pigeons were built on dedicated 28 gauge and 410 actions. This information came from the Beretta brochure and various reviews on the guns. I also owned a Beretta Silver Pigeon 687 S that was built on a 28 gauge action. The gun I now shoot is a Gold Pigeon EL2 that is a 28 gauge built on a 20 gauge action. The difference between the two actions was very subtle because both are very low profile actions. The difference in handling was minimal. It might be more pronounced with the 410 but I have not shot one so cannot comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berelli Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 News to the rest of us it seems. Where did you get the information that since three years ago all 28g and 410 guns have been built on scaled actions? It's been standard practice NOT to do this due to costs, can't see what would suddenly change that for all manufacturers! Beretta themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I spoke to GMK and 3 1/2 years ago they started importing 28 bores and 410s on scaled actions in line with the US imports but the wood is oil finished here not varnished as is standard in the US ( oiled was an extra). So it looks like a new or nearly new gun for me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I spoke to GMK and 3 1/2 years ago they started importing 28 bores and 410s on scaled actions in line with the US imports but the wood is oil finished here not varnished as is standard in the US ( oiled was an extra). So it looks like a new or nearly new gun for me lol I am afraid that the information gleaned from GMK is not entirely correct. My Beretta 687 S 28 gauge was oil finished from new and I have a friend who shoots a Silver Pigeon V in 28 gauge with a factory oil finish. The finish on my gun was a traditional matt oil finish whereas the finish on my friend's gun was the high gloss semi-synthetic tru-oil type that some people confuse with a varnished finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I am afraid that the information gleaned from GMK is not entirely correct. My Beretta 687 S 28 gauge was oil finished from new and I have a friend who shoots a Silver Pigeon V in 28 gauge with a factory oil finish. The finish on my gun was a traditional matt oil finish whereas the finish on my friend's gun was the high gloss semi-synthetic tru-oil type that some people confuse with a varnished finish. Ok what part of America is north larnarkshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Ok what part of America is north larnarkshire I provide you with factual information to help you source a gun and you resort to making a sarcastic comment. Best of luck in your search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted April 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 I provide you with factual information to help you source a gun and you resort to making a sarcastic comment. Best of luck in your search. you stated 'that the information gleaned from GMK is not entirely correct' then confirmed that 2 Beretta 28 bores in the UK where oil finished as per the GMK statement, it was in America that they offered varnished finished. Thanks for trying to help tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroku_fan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Beretta manufacture in excess of 150,000 guns per year and the USA is their biggest market. You can understand why Beretta has adopted the policy of whatever America wants America gets. The high gloss semi-synthetic tru-oil finish appeals to them and as a result the majority of the 28 gauges with dedicated actions sold in the UK had the same finish. Beretta no longer varnish their guns. I have tried to provide you with information that will allow you to make an informed choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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