jaguar306 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 No the FEO said he would grant the FAC but that I couldn't shoot alone and needed a mentor to register with him first. Then after being assessed as a safe and competent shot by my mentor and this being in the form of letter sent to the FEo he would lift the mentoring condition. OR If I went out with a .22LR shooter who was prepared to supervise me and then vouch as to my competence, again in writing to FEO, then my FAC could be granted without the condition to start with. Hope that makes sense? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 No the FEO said he would grant the FAC but that I couldn't shoot alone and needed a mentor to register with him first. Then after being assessed as a safe and competent shot by my mentor and this being in the form of letter sent to the FEo he would lift the mentoring condition. OR If I went out with a .22LR shooter who was prepared to supervise me and then vouch as to my competence, again in writing to FEO, then my FAC could be granted without the condition to start with. Hope that makes sense? John Ah, makes sence now. Sorry for being thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 27, 2012 Report Share Posted April 27, 2012 My "Mentor" would need to send a letter to the FEO stating that he had assessed me on several occasions whilst hunting and that without prompting I could distinguish between a safe and unsafe shot. Also that I had shot X amount of rabbits on these shooting forays. You don't need to have actually shot any rabbits - just to have gone out and been shown what is/isn't safe, and shot at a couple of targets. It's not required to have shot at any live animals, just to have someone confirm you understand the safely elements required for shooting over land. Am I reading this right. Applicants being required to go through mentoring BEFORE they are granted a fac. This is becoming quite ridiculous. I can just about stomach mentoring conditions, following grant, in exceptional situations but before grant is ludicrous. Easy for me to say but I would tell them no way, process my application as it stands. The police have no basis in law to insist on such nonsense. This needs reporting to BASC, CA, SACS and the NGO. CharlieT, I'm sure BASC do know, it's becoming quite common. The mentor condition only needs one outing before a FAC is granted, which is arguably far better than needing a mentor for x months after a certificate has been granted. What they should do (in my opinion) is to grant an open certificate when someone has had a mentor, issuing closed certificates is stupid. When you say the police have no basis in law for this, they have to be satisfied the the applicant can be entrusted with firearms, which I think is a very loose way of allowing pretty much anything to stop an application - medication, drink, or safety/experience. I think they can get away with this very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Hi all my ticket arrived yesterday morning yipee! So the rws has gone to my local rfd for turning up and putting on ticket i cant wait to get it back. thanks to all who offerred me help it was greatly appriciated. i just want to say an extra big thank you to swiss.tony who took me out and vouched for me so i could get my ticket swiss.tony you are a legend, thanks so much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Hi all my ticket arrived yesterday morning yipee! So the rws has gone to my local rfd for turning up and putting on ticket i cant wait to get it back. thanks to all who offerred me help it was greatly appriciated. i just want to say an extra big thank you to swiss.tony who took me out and vouched for me so i could get my ticket swiss.tony you are a legend, thanks so much!!! glad to help mate shame a few more on here don't try harder instead of slagging people off and whining about spelling glad your ticket has landed or and make sure you put your 1st kill with fac on when you get gun back mate .........stay safe .........swiss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 Am I reading this right. Applicants being required to go through mentoring BEFORE they are granted a fac. This is becoming quite ridiculous. I can just about stomach mentoring conditions, following grant, in exceptional situations but before grant is ludicrous. Easy for me to say but I would tell them no way, process my application as it stands. The police have no basis in law to insist on such nonsense. This needs reporting to BASC, CA, SACS and the NGO. my mate put in for a .243 for deer. plenty of deer on his land that need thinning out. feo phoned him and said he can only have it granted if he has fired a .243 before. were is the sense in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 i think its nuts that you just asked for fac air, and had to go through these hoops considering you already had a SGC!!. I'm glad you got this sorted out though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 glad to help mate shame a few more on here don't try harder instead of slagging people off and whining about spelling glad your ticket has landed or and make sure you put your 1st kill with fac on when you get gun back mate .........stay safe .........swiss hi swiss.tony i will do - its my weekend on at work next week tho but ill get out asap and put a post up. thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 i think its nuts that you just asked for fac air, and had to go through these hoops considering you already had a SGC!!. I'm glad you got this sorted out though hi pegasus bridge, the farmer at my permission isnt keen on rimfire rifles so im just going to stick to fac air for now. hopefully in the future i will get a rimfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 hi pegasus bridge, the farmer at my permission isnt keen on rimfire rifles so im just going to stick to fac air for now. hopefully in the future i will get a rimfire I've had the same issues with two oldish farmers, both of who had experience of .22lr in the past. I won them round by pulling the bullets from a .22lr and a 17HMR from their cases. I got them to feel the weight of the air rifle pellet first. Then gave them a .22lr bullet and explained that this heavy bullet type has been around for donkeys years and quite rightfully has a reputation for ricocheting even after it has gone through a rabbits head because it remains a 40 grain lump of lead even though it might be deformed. I then pass them the HMR that weighs about the same as the air rifle pellet and explain how the tip causes the bullet to fragment into smaller non aerodynamic pieces when it hydraulics into the cavity behind it after hitting something fairly lumpy. Neither had heard of the new fangled 17HMR and once explained, both gave me permission to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiebald Posted April 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) I've had the same issues with two oldish farmers, both of who had experience of .22lr in the past. I won them round by pulling the bullets from a .22lr and a 17HMR from their cases. I got them to feel the weight of the air rifle pellet first. Then gave them a .22lr bullet and explained that this heavy bullet type has been around for donkeys years and quite rightfully has a reputation for ricocheting even after it has gone through a rabbits head because it remains a 40 grain lump of lead even though it might be deformed. I then pass them the HMR that weighs about the same as the air rifle pellet and explain how the tip causes the bullet to fragment into smaller non aerodynamic pieces when it hydraulics into the cavity behind it after hitting something fairly lumpy. Neither had heard of the new fangled 17HMR and once explained, both gave me permission to use it. thats a good way of explaining it to them, ill remember that one. the farmer next to my permission (where i also have permission) was hit by a ricochet .22 round a few years ago while on an open top combine so they are not keen on them. Edited April 29, 2012 by archiebald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted April 29, 2012 Report Share Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) If any one is on teh receiving end of this rubbish in future speak to BASC immediately. As far as I am aware it is illegal, if you refuse to accept a mentor they cannot force you or refuse you on the grounds of no mentor. A Edited April 29, 2012 by Alycidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted April 30, 2012 Report Share Posted April 30, 2012 hi pegasus bridge, the farmer at my permission isnt keen on rimfire rifles so im just going to stick to fac air for now. hopefully in the future i will get a rimfire sorry chap - i meant more from the 'risk' perspective, you have already proven yourself trustworthy with a shotgun, and lets face it - it is capable of a lot more damage than an fac air rifle, and they still expect you to have a mentor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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