alendil Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 not as drunk any more but stil thinking that hiting and clean kill its must be somethink to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I saw a guy cutting down trees with a Mossberg Pump shotgun on YoTube, not the best of ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 One guy blew a hole right through the peak of his cap because - after his gun had jammed - he thought it'd be a good idea to look down the barrel to see what was wrong. Then the gun fired. 70yds though? dubious. I take the point that if you're good with your mil-dot you can be theoretically good enough to hit the target, but it's not for me. 70yds is a heck of a long time between firing and impact, and as the range increases, so does the likelihood of variables ruining the shot - wind, quarry moving etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 iv been shooting long shot's for about 2 years and i know my milldots for my scope of the back of my hand at that range heart shots are the best Is this a measured distance or one that is estimated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakoQuad Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 is there any different in these air arm pellets 177 The black & yellow tin is AA's new packaging. Have seen the link showing old batch, new batch cross sections but not sure the pellets actually changed at the same time as tins (2011). You certainly can get FAC .177 rifles but have to say if going that route not sure why anyone wouldn't take the chance to move to .22 for the extra knock down power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 I have noticed no difference between the pellets in either packaging and my daystate loves them both. My local tackle shop where i buy the pellets only has the black and yellow tins now ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcam Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 From what I've heard there is a very slight difference in weight between the two.(Just what I've been told).Jim.(Night Owl). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Is this a measured distance or one that is estimated? Still waiting for an answer to this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben456 Posted April 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 (edited) the distance is lazer range finded i never take a long shot if im not %100 sure on the distance thanks Edited April 15, 2012 by ben456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 the distance is lazer range finded i never take a long shot if im not %100 sure on the distance thanks Thanks. I was dubious, but after reading about your 5p sized 8 shot groups at 65 yds I'm less so now. Is there time to get this guy into the olympic squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcam Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Surely all hunting calls for a clean head shot to dispatch the quarry properly.Never had advice to go for a heart shot.I'm Confused.Jim.(Night Owl). :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 A 12 ftlb air rifle in 177 flavour at 65 yds will have lost 6 to 7 ftlb of energy so you are hitting your target with only pistol power 5 to 6 ftlb of energy thats not taking into account cross winds that will push a 177 pellet of target. The absolute max i would shoot at something that is alive is 50 yds. I have shot paper targets out to 100 yds with great success. But to make a clean kill you need some power on impact for the pellet to spread and dump its kinetic energy into the target (ie) shock to the internal organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaz Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 A 12 ftlb air rifle in 177 flavour at 65 yds will have lost 6 to 7 ftlb of energy so you are hitting your target with only pistol power 5 to 6 ftlb of energy thats not taking into account cross winds that will push a 177 pellet of target. The absolute max i would shoot at something that is alive is 50 yds. I have shot paper targets out to 100 yds with great success. But to make a clean kill you need some power on impact for the pellet to spread and dump its kinetic energy into the target (ie) shock to the internal organs. I believe it takes 3lb of energy to take a rabbit out so going by your post and calculations you have more than double the energy required at that range. Its not the air rifle that's inadequate at those ranges its the shooter and conditions surrounding it but I agree 65yds is more a chance to kill than I'd like to take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 (edited) 3 ftlb most 177 co2 pistols are doing more than that and i wouldn`t shoot anything alive with a co2 pistol. I have an HW45 thats doing 5.7 ftlb and a Crosman 2240 thats doing 5.5 ftlb and i only use them for very close range rats (ie) when putting bait down. I wouldn`t shoot a rabbit with a pistol doing 5.7 ftlb at close range. Whatever you shoot deserves a clean kill. Edited May 14, 2012 by NIGHT SEARCHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaz Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 3 ftlb most co2 pistols are doing more than that and i wouldn`t shoot anything alive with a co2 pistol. I have an HW45 thats doing 5.7 ftlb and a Crosman 2240 thats doing 5.5 ftlb and i only use them for very close range rats (ie) when putting bait down. I wouldn`t shoot a rabbit with a pistol doing 5.7 ftlb at close range. Whatever you shoot deserves a clean kill. I think you've missed my point, if you could get close enough with your 'lower' power rifles/pistols then they are more than powerful to take live quarry. A .177 with a speed of 785fps and 8.4 grn pellet has at 70yds 5ftlb of energy which is more than enough to drop a bunny - I wouldn't condone or promote such a shoot but the rifle is capable, which is my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad93 Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think you need to go to your local rifle club so they can see your extreme talent... HFT is going to love you! I know people running Lothar barrels on day state actions who wouldn't take them shots sub 12 ftlb with a .177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaz Posted May 14, 2012 Report Share Posted May 14, 2012 I think you need to go to your local rifle club so they can see your extreme talent... HFT is going to love you! I know people running Lothar barrels on day state actions who wouldn't take them shots sub 12 ftlb with a .177 You need to read my post sir. I'm not capable of such a shot but the rifle is which is my only point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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