mr williamson Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 My hw80 is shooting way high. Iv used up all the adjustment on my scope and still shooting high but not as high as it was. Its shootin 6" high at 20yds. If the scope aint foooookd what else could it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Mounts are the correct mount to fit a 4x40 nikko stirling silver crown fixed scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Loosen off your scope mounts and shim out the rear mount, adding height, I use to use old 35mm negatives but were all digital now lol, one or two pieces then tighten up and try again add till its fixed, its standard droopy barrel problem, or buy an adjustable mount. link: http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/products.asp?cat=138 Hope this helps Alan Edited July 8, 2012 by Alanl50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Loosen off your scope mounts and shim out the rear mount, adding height, I use to use old 35mm negatives but were all digital now lol, one or two pieces then tighen up and try again add till its fixed, its standard droopy barrel problem, or buy an adjustable mount. link: http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/products.asp?cat=138 Hope this helps Alan Yep... re-centre the turrets and shim with a piece of kitchen foil, that works aswell as anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks guys il try that today. much appreciated. I dont mean to be a pain but what is droopy barrel and what causes this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanl50 Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks guys il try that today. much appreciated. I dont mean to be a pain but what is droopy barrel and what causes this? It peculiar to Weihrauch break barrel guns, when the barrel is closed/shut the barrel is actually pointing down, hence you can not sight your gun nothing to worry about its just the way they are made. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) It peculiar to Weihrauch break barrel guns, when the barrel is closed/shut the barrel is actually pointing down, hence you can not sight your gun nothing to worry about its just the way they are made. Alan If its happened all overnight check that you haven`t got a crushed pellet in the breach its very easy to do with brake barrels. You may find a load of flattened lead over the breach seal. When you close the barrel the pellet pops out of the barrel and gets crushed in the breach. Edited July 8, 2012 by NIGHT SEARCHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Thanks guys il try that today. much appreciated. I dont mean to be a pain but what is droopy barrel and what causes this? HW80's are not known for this HW35's and its to be expected. If someone has released the tigger with the barrel still broken it tends to bend the barrel though. Barrels can be staightened and you can fit a droop compensating mount. I think i have a spare one somewere? if your still stuggling PM me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 HW80's are not known for this HW35's and its to be expected. If someone has released the tigger with the barrel still broken it tends to bend the barrel though. Barrels can be staightened and you can fit a droop compensating mount. I think i have a spare one somewere? if your still stuggling PM me HW80's are not known for this HW35's and its to be expected. If someone has released the tigger with the barrel still broken it tends to bend the barrel though. Barrels can be staightened and you can fit a droop compensating mount. I think i have a spare one somewere? if your still stuggling PM me thanks very much i will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ive just read that barrel droop is when it shoots low? Mines shooting hi? Iv no idea whats going on lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ive just read that barrel droop is when it shoots low? Mines shooting hi? Iv no idea whats going on lol My guess, upwards bend in barrel created by above suggestion i made. It bends upwards via momentum. the droop compensating mount i mention tilts either way or you can staighten the barrel up. first borrow a different proven scope and switch the mounts front to back you have (two different jobs, test each to eliminate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Loosen off your scope mounts and shim out the rear mount, adding height, I use to use old 35mm negatives but were all digital now lol, one or two pieces then tighten up and try again add till its fixed, its standard droopy barrel problem, or buy an adjustable mount. link: http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/products.asp?cat=138 Hope this helps Alan If its shooting high you need to shim up the front mount, not the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 Common. Break barrels often get their barrels bent up by folk letting the barrel slip from their fingers when de-cocking or a dodgy trigger job. Recently had to a freinds. We took the barrel off and carefully set it up in a fly press and carefully teased it back to looking straight. We actually went to far and had to reverse it but we did it in the end. When compensating with scope mounts you always (usually) follow the POI. A verticle alignment issue will give a secondry zero issue usually. By the amount you suggest I think that if you looked down the side of the gun and barrel you should see a slight rising of the barrel in relation to the cylinder. Good luck. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted July 8, 2012 Report Share Posted July 8, 2012 If its shooting high you need to shim up the front mount, not the rear. Yes if it is shooting high the front mount needs packing, not the rear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Maybee the barrel is flipped (pointing up by a fraction of an inch) because someone has bulled hte trigger with the barrel open? just bend it back if it has ( genuinely worked for me ) Refere to: http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2008/07/straightening-barrels.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Had the barrel on a level surface cant see any bends. I rolled the barrel aswell and cant see a thing looks straight as dye. i wonder if the scopes amention om an earlier post. could ot be the pellets im using? only 1way to find out any way. cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Had the barrel on a level surface cant see any bends. I rolled the barrel aswell and cant see a thing looks straight as dye. i wonder if the scopes amention om an earlier post. could ot be the pellets im using? only 1way to find out any way. cheers guys Have you checked if there is a squashed pellet in the breach or round the breach seal. Is the scope you are using for air rifles. Air Rifle scopes are designed to be zeroed at 30 yds where rimfire and centrefire scopes are designed to be zeroed at 60 to 100 yds which gives problems when they are put on an air rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 hi yeah checked breach and barrel and its clear. im thinking its the scope. im not sure if its a rimmy scope but certainly could be. its an old nikko sterling 4x40 silver crown and it looks as old as the gun. im going to try a scope on it at the weekend if i get the time to. i did get it zeroed. After packing the mounts but the adjustment was completley at the end and i did not trust the scope not to shift zero or break ha ha. But still it should not be like that should it. Id just like to confirm shooting is far from jus pulling a trigger, iv learnt more about physics than i ever did at school ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 hi yeah checked breach and barrel and its clear. im thinking its the scope. im not sure if its a rimmy scope but certainly could be. its an old nikko sterling 4x40 silver crown and it looks as old as the gun. im going to try a scope on it at the weekend if i get the time to. i did get it zeroed. After packing the mounts but the adjustment was completley at the end and i did not trust the scope not to shift zero or break ha ha. But still it should not be like that should it. Id just like to confirm shooting is far from jus pulling a trigger, iv learnt more about physics than i ever did at school ha ha Have a look at j.s.Ramsbottom web site you can get an Air Rifle scope from them for little money. I have had a few from them and they have been fine holding zero and giving no probs.(ie) 3x9x50 IR with mounts £30 to £40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Have you checked if there is a squashed pellet in the breach or round the breach seal. Is the scope you are using for air rifles. Air Rifle scopes are designed to be zeroed at 30 yds where rimfire and centrefire scopes are designed to be zeroed at 60 to 100 yds which gives problems when they are put on an air rifle. Can i just say the last statement is irrelivent to anything but close paralax error (which will never add up to the issue) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Had the barrel on a level surface cant see any bends. I rolled the barrel aswell and cant see a thing looks straight as dye. i wonder if the scopes ### amention om an earlier post. could ot be the pellets im using? only 1way to find out any way. cheers guys It might be bent from the breech connection. Looking through it and rotating it looking for the shaddow line is the best way (with experiance). yes, beg or borrow a proven scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Can i just say the last statement is irrelivent to anything but close paralax error (which will never add up to the issue) How can you say its irrelivent when the scope will not zero. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 How can you say its irrelivent when the scope will not zero. :wacko: I am not saying it aint a faulty scope, but as regards a scope intended for airgun or c/fire there is no difference in getting a zero. I could zero any of my c/fire scopes at 8yds if i wished on an airgun or on a centrefire. focal range might be different on some and paralax but you would never get 1" error from paralax error let alone 6" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 I am not saying it aint a faulty scope, but as regards a scope intended for airgun or c/fire there is no difference in getting a zero. I could zero any of my c/fire scopes at 8yds if i wished on an airgun or on a centrefire. focal range might be different on some and paralax but you would never get 1" error from paralax error let alone 6" Of coarse there is a difference in Air Rifle scopes and cetrefire scopes. Thats why in most cases you have to use packing shims if your putting a centrefire scope on an Air Rifle to get it to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Sorted it it had bent barrel syndrome lol thanks for the info guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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