fieldwanderer Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 How many you got left? None and I think he's down to the last few, thankfully! It's something to look back on and chuckle about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 None and I think he's down to the last few, thankfully! It's something to look back on and chuckle about. I'd have had them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 They obviously worked, they went bang and everything left the barrel but, for some reason, like I said we couldn't hit anything with them but do fine with any other cartridge. If you want muck and flame try black powder cart's! We got given a carrier bag full of them and I used them in my semi - an hour or so cleaning taught me to use them only in my sxs or o/u. They were good though, didn't kick much and brought plenty of pigeons down. When I fired the first shot, the farmer's son came over to make sure I was ok "I heard a muffled bang and saw the cloud of smoke, I thought your gun had blown up" lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 15 years ago had a box of 'Trago mills' own brand cartridges - bang, bang, futt, bang, BOOM, entertaining if nothing else - just so long as you didn't expect to hit anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 15 years ago had a box of 'Trago mills' own brand cartridges - bang, bang, futt, bang, BOOM, entertaining if nothing else - just so long as you didn't expect to hit anything. Crikey I knew they sold 'everything' but wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I am struggling to find a Rio load that is any good, in 20 and 12g! I use to use alot of the Record bb and aaa, they were mustard. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) I had a slab of Fiocci's 30g 6's and I couldn't hit a barn door with them. At the same time I bought a few boxes of gamebore black gold which were hideously expensive, but they were devastating. I did the eyes shut selection/load to see if it was a confidence thing and it most definately wasn't. They are a seriously hard hitting shell!! I presume there is a bit of a difference in the powder performance, although most shot is pushed out at circa 1300 ft/per sec, so no real difference there. My own theory is that its the shot quality that makes the difference in the pattern thrown. Good quality, harder shot will leave the barrel in a more uniform shape, and therefore a consistant flight path and pattern. Poor quality shot will be misshapen to start with and if its soft, a higher percentage of the charge will deform and throw hopeless patterns. Cheap cartridges do go bang, and will claim victims, but I am convinced that using cheap carts with poor components increases the miss/wound rate. Just my theory. I mostly use Lyavale pigeon special and gamebore clear pigeon (30g fibre) and out of the two, I think the gamebore has the edge. Edited August 8, 2012 by turbo33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 I bought 10000 D and J cartridges long before the price hikes I think I got them for about £88/thou I used them through my remmi 1100 at skeet other than they were a bit dirty I shot more straights with those than I had done with any other shells The worst shell I have used was some which were being sold at lakenheath in the days they would have the starshot of an evening and you paid for everything in dollars Flames would come two foot out the barrel and if you were using an auto out of the loading port Not sure of the name of them but I think they were Turkish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 When I regularly shot clays,Blue Diamond were my favourite,then someone gave me two boxes of White Gold to try;I thought they were black powder!Black confetti drifting all over the place,and then on the second box,a shot which sounded as if it had gone off in a tunnel.Waited a few seconds,then ejected spent shell to find barrel blocked.Someone found a cleaning rod and out popped the wad!Haven't touched them since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Having shot at some time or another pretty much every make and spec of shell going, and having coached a number of people over a long period who use various shells, I can categorically say that there is not a shell that will make you hit more (or less). The problem is to tell and difference (and the differences realy are minute) you have to be exceptionally consistent, and sadly not many people are! What does happen is the shooter can convince him/herself that a certain shell "is rubbish" and then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Upto all but the most extreme ranges (70yards plus) with a bit of choke, there really will be fractions in it, and then it might be down to the quality of the breaks. Amount of lead required is unafected and consistency is far better than any of us can achieve as shooters. A huge part of it is confidence, if you feel paying £240/thou and feel it helps you go for it; it is a good investment. But it is not down to the shell, it is between your ears! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claygone Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 Many years ago, I bought 5000 Baikal Record cartridges, from Budget Guns and Tackle - I think they were in Kent. very cheap and free delivery. Went to shoot floodlit skeet at Trawden Gun Club - 4 feet of flames out of the end of the barrel to accompany the fairly loud crack. That said, the skeet shells would break just about any sporting clay, including some fairly distant stuff. I have used these can be fun, kill and cook cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 sometimes, i`ve had a rio loaded without shot, double wadded. it set my gun on fire, unburnt and burning powder everywhere. took me ages to get rid of the burning stains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 sometimes, i`ve had a rio loaded without shot, double wadded. it set my gun on fire, unburnt and burning powder everywhere. took me ages to get rid of the burning stains. Yes there are obviously the odd poorly produced shell, fortunately not often but one is too many if it is dangerous. Statistically though the numbers are tiny- I haven't had a bad one for years. Purely on performance though I would say there are no bad ones. The worst will be 100x better than any shooter on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayslayer Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 firing many tens of thousands of cartridges on a test range and though a gun as well i can only say you get what you pay for but cartridge to gun match and how it feels to you does come in to it.Friend of mine used to say if it did not hurt when fired it was no good and would not hear it any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spook Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 15 years ago had a box of 'Trago mills' own brand cartridges - bang, bang, futt, bang, BOOM, entertaining if nothing else - just so long as you didn't expect to hit anything. Crikey I knew they sold 'everything' but wow... They used to sell Baikal shotguns too! They still sell Hull Cartriges and Remington .22LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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