Big Mat Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Hi all, I've been searching about for a definitive answer to this. I've got a shotgun which is not steel shot proof, i know you can use some loads up to a certain point ( and no high performance loads ). What load size/shot size does this go up to? 2 3/4" chamber as well. thanks mat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I think it's shot size 4 in 32g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I think it's shot size 4 in 32g That was the general feeling i was getting from reading around, i just want to be sure before i start using them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Try this link to the Gamebore site mate. http://www.gamebore.com/products/33/12g-game-wetland-steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Try this link to the Gamebore site mate. http://www.gamebore....e-wetland-steel Thanks, that pretty much confirms what i'd been reading elsewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 I used Super Steel 4's last season with mixed results...but that says more about my shooting than the loads. They seemed to kill cleanly when put in the right place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Up to 32g in shot size 4, through no tighter than half choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 the choke part is a funny one. the CIP say no more than 1/2 choke, thats a maximum of 1/2 choke. but the british guntrade association say no more than 1/4. so take that as you will. i have shot steel with 1/2 and cant say either way what was best, i do have a cylinder set for skeet and steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I'm using no.4 32gm in 1/4 choke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 The gun is choked 1/4 and 1/2 so i should be ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 I used to use Mammoth 3" 1's in steel and also hevi shot through my non steel proofed Silver pigeon 4. I killed a fair few geese, my gun suffered no ill effects, but i wouldn't necessarily recommend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypriotHunter Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 so if i got it right , it is okey to use steel loads with normal shotguns ( non steel proofed) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 so if i got it right , it is okey to use steel loads with normal shotguns ( non steel proofed) ? Only up to 32gram of 4s, anymore and you risk damage to the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypriotHunter Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 can you give me any scientific evidence about this ( any experiment or anything )? i tried to find on internet but couldt get any ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I dont have any data to hand, but check out the link to the Gamebore website a few post up, they say its ok and to be honest i think they probably know a thing or two about cartridges and guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantinos Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 can you give me any scientific evidence about this ( any experiment or anything )? i tried to find on internet but couldt get any ATB try this linky from Australia. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I understood it that less choke is needed for steel, half choke will act like full for steel and so forcing steel through a tighter constriction would be detremental to patterns. Older guns with thin tubes may also suffer near the muzzles of course! This is only how I understand it, for what it's worth! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think that using it in guns that are not steel proofed is down the the the individual user but is it really worth the risk. So don't be silly and buy yourself a disposable shotgun like an escort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Let's settle this... A steel load of above 32g, in above shot size 4 exceeds the nitro proof pressure test limit. Cartridges exceeding that shot size and load are called High Performance Steel - it is not safe to use them in barrels which are not steel proofed. There is no evidence that steel shot damages barrels in older guns. The pellets in steel cartridges are held in a full cup wad which prevents contact with the barrel. Damage would only occur as a result of: The gun having too tight a choke. Steel shot is not as soft as lead - therefore the projectile is unable to deform when constricted in tighter than half choke, risking damage to the muzzle. Loading cartridges with a longer length than the chambers. It is common for older guns to have 2 1/2" chambers, whereas non-high performance steel cartridges are loaded into 2 3/4" (when expanded) cases. This risks damage to the forcing cone. The gun not having been suitably pressure tested. Some older guns will only be tested to 850 BAR, whereas many modern cartridges (steel and lead) exceed this. Using these cartridges risks weakening the action and barrel wall. Definitive answer: It is safe to use 'standard' steel loads up to and including 32g, up to and including shot size 4, through no more than half choke in 2 3/4" chambered, nitro proofed guns having been tested to a pressure corresponding to the cartridge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr williamson Posted August 24, 2012 Report Share Posted August 24, 2012 personally i just would not risk it in a non steel proofed gun. they are not that much cheaper and imop dont perform as well at distances including and exeeding 40yds. there use is clay shooting and wildfowling so if you fall into any of the 2catagorys then either buy yourself an escort or such or upgrade your shotty to one thats steel proofed. wether people say use it or not if it was suitable it would have the fleur de lys stamped on it if it hasnt, then stick to lead or lead substitute. just my thoughts on it mate! regards carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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