RossEM Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I'm considering applying for an FAC, just for a .22 rimfire for rabbits. I've had limited experience of rifle shooting, but have been a SGC holder for 12 years. Can the Police enforce a mentoring condition for a .22? If so I don't think I'll bother with it. Advice would be much appreciated, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 They can but it would be highly unusual. You won't know till you try ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 essex police gave me mentoring against 223rem , but not on 22lr 17hmr but seen other people have mentroing on a 17hmr and not on the 22lr they make rules as they go they just try and make it as difficult as possible for people even tho mentoring is not a law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Do you know anyone with a .22RF that would take you out once or twice? If you do use them as a referee and on the form where it asks for your experience ask them to explain you have been out and are safe etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossEM Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thanks all, yes I've been out with others shooting .22RF and have shot a few rabbits myself with their guns. Glad to hear that's it's unlikely, Apache that's a great idea and I will definitely do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Ross I can tell you this I have just had my interveiw for 22rf and 243cf and thames valley insist on mentoring condition for both,aalough its not law in the long run its just quicker to acccept. My FEO dod say however that if I didnt have a mentor they would still grant my application,but hold my ticket until I found a mentor hth Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) I'm considering applying for an FAC, just for a .22 rimfire for rabbits. I've had limited experience of rifle shooting, but have been a SGC holder for 12 years. Can the Police enforce a mentoring condition for a .22? If so I don't think I'll bother with it. Advice would be much appreciated, thanks Yes, if they feel/can show, there is justification. Ross I can tell you this I have just had my interveiw for 22rf and 243cf and thames valley insist on mentoring condition for both,aalough its not law in the long run its just quicker to acccept. My FEO dod say however that if I didnt have a mentor they would still grant my application,but hold my ticket until I found a mentor hth Jim With all due respect they do not, they did in your case for reasons best known to them, did you ask why?! Edited August 27, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerdeor Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Actually yes i did ask and the answer i got was its impossed on everybody in thames valley not just me ,apparently it is there safety net to try and ensure safe shooting,as i said there is no point of law,but would you really want to take it to court,for the sake of 3 months mentoring. I personally am happy to be mentored,alough I have shot both rf and cf my knowledge is still limited.Given the fact that Ross lives 10 minutes down the road from me I would think he will have the samee FEO so would be very supprised and a tad anoyed if he didnt have the same condition impossed atb Jim Yes, if they feel/can show, there is justification. With all due respect they do not, they did in your case for reasons best known to them, did you ask why?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm considering applying for an FAC, just for a .22 rimfire for rabbits. I've had limited experience of rifle shooting, but have been a SGC holder for 12 years. Can the Police enforce a mentoring condition for a .22? If so I don't think I'll bother with it. Advice would be much appreciated, thanks Apply, dont mention the M word at all even in conversation. If they issue as such, speak to your shooting association. There is some grounds for mentors in guidence notes on c/f but not on rimfire. apparently some try it on, from the fact that you have not been a danger to the public in 12yrs of shotgun ownership and have good reason and are not applying for a dozen guns i think you should have no problem at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomov Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thames Valley do issue first FACs without a mentoring condition imposed - I know this because I've got one. Of course, there may be some variation in the way different FEOs approach the task of licensing an individual. As Kent says above, do your homework, prepare and present your argument and I would think you stand a good chance of not being deemed to require a mentoring condition. TVP have been pretty reasonable in all of my dealings with them. I'm just down the road from you Ross - send me a pm if you want to know how I went about it. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 I've been thinking about these 'mentoring' conditions a bit. I have to say that I'm a bit surprised that the police seem so keen on these. The police don't know who is doing the mentoring (I suppose they might nominate someone on the FAC), how well they are mentoring the person or how much the mentor even knows abut the subject. There are a lot of shooters out there who I wouldn't trust to advise a starving dog how to eat it's dinner, to be honest. It's a bit like the DVLA saying 'yeah, ok, just go out for a couple of drives with a mate with a licence in the passenger seat and we'll give you a licence'. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Actually yes i did ask and the answer i got was its impossed on everybody in thames valley not just me ,apparently it is there safety net to try and ensure safe shooting,as i said there is no point of law,but would you really want to take it to court,for the sake of 3 months mentoring. I personally am happy to be mentored,alough I have shot both rf and cf my knowledge is still limited.Given the fact that Ross lives 10 minutes down the road from me I would think he will have the samee FEO so would be very supprised and a tad anoyed if he didnt have the same condition impossed atb Jim Definitely not as you would lose. In fact the court wouldn't even hear it as there is no ground on which to appeal a condition. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I am in surrey and it was a condition on my FAC to have a mentor for .22lr i had to go out 10 or 12 times and as yet it has not been removed though it is with the police for review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) Actually yes i did ask and the answer i got was its impossed on everybody in thames valley not just me ,apparently it is there safety net to try and ensure safe shooting,as i said there is no point of law,but would you really want to take it to court,for the sake of 3 months mentoring. I personally am happy to be mentored,alough I have shot both rf and cf my knowledge is still limited.Given the fact that Ross lives 10 minutes down the road from me I would think he will have the samee FEO so would be very supprised and a tad anoyed if he didnt have the same condition impossed atb Jim Definitely not as you would lose. In fact the court wouldn't even hear it as there is no ground on which to appeal a condition. J. Come on JonathanL, so the police impose a condition saying you can only shoot on 29 February and you must be accompanied by your Mum and be wearing an Andy Pandy outfit and .............. "there is no ground on which to appeal a condition" beerdeor suggests Thames Valley have told him they impose a mentoring condition one EVERYONE, that is NOT TRUE, so why is there no appeal and why have they imposed it on him? Edited September 1, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 Can I ask why BASC are not (obviously) arguing strongly for more standardisation and just asking police forces why the conditions vary so much? I've read the new mag - new, easier forms potentially but at some point these variable approaches lead to shooters asking why should I bother -its too much trouble etc and just give up. I am close to that myself right now but I will continue for all the others who might gain something if I persist. In the end its a legal challenge thats required - how many shooters have BASC (the premier shooting society), supported to make a legal challenge to some of these silly conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Essex Hunter Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 I'm considering applying for an FAC, just for a .22 rimfire for rabbits. I've had limited experience of rifle shooting, but have been a SGC holder for 12 years. Can the Police enforce a mentoring condition for a .22? If so I don't think I'll bother with it. Advice would be much appreciated, thanks Why not ask the people who will be issuing the licence instead of people who can only guess :exclamation: Just pick up the phone and have a chat, they will know who you are from your SGC file. TEH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 1, 2012 Report Share Posted September 1, 2012 (edited) I have never heard of a mentoring here. Edited September 1, 2012 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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