gamekeeper1960 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 My argument is most kid have access to the internet where you can see far worse thing than you will ever get in any shooting magazine. but you never hear animal aid asking for the internet to be band ! though I must say that some of the worst images i've seen are on their own web site. may be we put forward to have their web site shut down. the shooting press have now been around for over 100 years and this the first instance of someone asking for it to be put on the top shelf ! now does that surprise any one maybe animal aid are running out of supporters and this is just a way of try to draw back actavites to their cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robl Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) This is probably the best advert the shooting press could have. This month the sales will be through the roof as people buy the magazines to try and find something to be offended by, or just to see what the fuss is about. I expect one or two shops will move the magazines around a bit but that’s all. If anything it’s such a crazy idea it devalues the rest of Peta & co’s messages. To a certain degree I agree with a lot of the animal rights core messages. I’m pleased the UK has done away with battery farming, that we don’t bullfight or throw donkeys off towers. I’m pleased our zoos have high standards of care and that people can be prosecuted and jailed for cruelty to animals. If it wasn’t for people like Peta and the RSPCA we might never have made these changes to the law. But, this ranting about the magazines just makes them seem like a bunch of idiots fit only to be mocked or ignored. It takes the spotlight off the genuine concerns and highlights the lunatic fringe. Edited August 29, 2012 by Robl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajm1979 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 This interview on radio two is absolutely barmy to say the least, anyone listening to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefulham Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 Just listened, trying to be balanced and fair as I know I am biased, but I think a non shooting or interested person would NOT be turned against shooting because of these bigoted idiots, BUT it is and always will be a battle against these small minded people, they are NOT going to go away and they know how to appeal to a majority view with 'dead fluffy animals'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 This is probably the best advert the shooting press could have. This month the sales will be through the roof as people buy the magazines to try and find something to be offended by, or just to see what the fuss is about. I expect one or two shops will move the magazines around a bit but that’s all. If anything it’s such a crazy idea it devalues the rest of Peta & co’s messages. To a certain degree I agree with a lot of the animal rights core messages. I’m pleased the UK has done away with battery farming, that we don’t bullfight or throw donkeys off towers. I’m pleased our zoos have high standards of care and that people can be prosecuted and jailed for cruelty to animals. If it wasn’t for people like Peta and the RSPCA we might never have made these changes to the law. But, this ranting about the magazines just makes them seem like a bunch of idiots fit only to be mocked or ignored. It takes the spotlight off the genuine concerns and highlights the lunatic fringe. This is the point I made earlier. There is a difference between animal welfare and animal rights. At one point, the "animal rights" movement was focused on genuine welfare concerns. Now that there are few genuine welfare concerns left, it is about "rights" as opposed to welfare, and that's why for some groups, most of their activity is now nonsense, such as this. Did anyone listen to that radio thing? What was it like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01m32xy 1;38 in the vegan was really funny message from the wheel chair bound shooter and young shooter were the best! Shame the have to out such rubbish music in the mix............... Perhaps there's a gap in the market: guns and grot in the same publication? In the US there and several websites...... "girls and guns" gives you a flavour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 (edited) My god the animal aid guy said there was a picture of 20 foxes and a child.Looks like someone needs to brush up on their quarry indentification. Edited August 29, 2012 by mr smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 so i have to reach up twice to the top shelf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 29, 2012 Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 My god the animal aid guy said there was a picture of 20 foxes and a child.Looks like someone needs to brush up on their quarry indentification. Or perhaps counting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Thought I would post this link to a page on Animal Aid's website about the campaign. I encourage readers to read through it. http://www.animalaid...hooting//2730// Also, someone with a bit of common sense. But antis posting uneducated comments at the end. I urge PW members to post a comment or two. http://blogs.telegra...-shooting-porn/ Edited August 30, 2012 by Reece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Thought I would post this link to a page on Animal Aid's website about the campaign. I encourage readers to read through it. http://www.animalaid...hooting//2730// I've mentioned it before, but just to reiterate. Animal Aid are a vegan organisation and use the 'animal rights' agenda to push for the vegan lifestyle. It's not just shooting they hate. It's farming, fishing and anything else that doesn't fit in with their idea of how we should all live our lives. Andrew Tyler, director of Animal Aid who was interviewed on Jeremy Vine's show yesterday is a raging vegan, as are two of the contributors in the above article, Chris Williamson and Jeffrey Masson. The other contributor, Peter Squires is a member of the GCN, and supposedly a criminologist. Why he insists on attacking lawful shooters and a legal pastime is beyond me, surely he should be channelling his energies towards the criminal community. Perhaps that's just too much like hard work for Mr Squires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 The other contributor, Peter Squires is a member of the GCN, and supposedly a criminologist. Why he insists on attacking lawful shooters and a legal pastime is beyond me, surely he should be channelling his energies towards the criminal community. Perhaps that's just too much like hard work for Mr Squires? after seeing him perform at the Home Iffice select committee where Keith Vaz pulled him apart I don't see him as a real threat, however he is educating many more..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 however he is educating many more..... It is possibly easier to educate a neutral to become an anti than to become pro. That's why we need to be careful and act whenever we can to promote the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 after seeing him perform at the Home Iffice select committee where Keith Vaz pulled him apart I don't see him as a real threat, however he is educating many more..... He's a threat in that he's a 'professor' in criminology and as such the public are likely to believe what he's talking about. Even though he clearly doesn't. What he actually does is twists statistics to suit his own agenda and then pass it off as fact. Chrissie Hall tried the same thing yesterday, but luckily Andy Marsh (ACPO) refuted her allegations. If it wasn't for Mr Marsh stepping in and putting matters straight most of the listeners would have thought that every gun stolen/lost is then used in crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I was impressed by Mr Marsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I was impressed by Mr Marsh Yes, he was very good. It's a shame we never heard a reply from the GCN woman. Although I suspect she was glad they'd run out of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robadob Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 the other thing about all this is that its really about trying to restrict access to legitimate press & media publications, so what are these publications doing about it, as i have not heard anything in any of these debates from them or are they hoping that this will just all go away and no only reporting about it in their own pages is not enough they should be getting involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 frankly the most offensive thing i see in the newsagents are the newspapers themselves with the horrible bile they spill and the phone hacking also the nuts/zoo/heat/chat drivel. funnily enough i would prefer it if they were on the top shelf, i always find they are right at your feet and i have to sit on the floor like a tramp to browse them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I have just sent a letter in to the telegraph about the issue, putting our point of view across. It may be edited slightly or shortened when/if it appears in the paper, but I sent in the following: "I would like to add my voice to the debate about shooting magazines going on the top shelf ("'Shooting porn' should be on the top shelf say animal rights groups", 28th August). I am strongly opposed to the idea, the main reason being that there is no good reason for these magazines to go on the top shelf. Animal Aid claims that they want to "protect" children from the "lurid, pro-violence content" of shooting magazines. Anyone who reads any shooting magazine will know that these concerns are completely baseless. This is just an attempt by anti shooting campaigners to attack shooters. They know that they could never ban shooting all in one go, so they try to restrict it bit by bit instead, hoping it will somehow go unnoticed by the shooting community. This is why Animal Aid want these magazines on the top shelf. They are basically trying to restrict the media for their own ends, and they attempt to hide such idiocy behind concern for children. The proposals are just another case of political correctness gone mad. Anyone who doubts this should have a good read through these shooting magazines and see for themselves that there is nothing in them which could do any harm to children. The proposals should be rejected and seen for what they are - an attempt at marginalising a law abiding section of society because a different section of society sees it as their right to impose their idea of morality upon others. Could we not leave the shooting magazines alone and let children make up their own minds about shooting?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man-o-woods Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I went into a WHS not so long ago and asked if they had any copies of Sporting Gun "NO" Shooting Times then? "NO we dont sell that sort of magazine in hear she said. But you sell Pornography says I and walked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefulham Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I have to say every WH Smiths I have ever been in has a full range of shooting mags, with mags on every subject under the sun as far as I can see, I always buy my magazines and papers from Smiths rather than a supermarket to try and keep a good choice for minority interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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