Can i shoot with an open ticket shooter

[the crowman]

as above on my permission and my mates.I'm on a closed ticket will be shooting 22lr and 17hmr.

Cheers Mark :)

[sixhills 69]

on a closed ticket you can only shoot on the land if you have written permission and you have informed your local firearms licencing team and the land has been passed by them as being suitable for that calibre. this is then held on your firearms file.

an open ticket gives the holder the right to shoot on land he has verbale permission to shoot on he does not have to have an feo to check it first.

hope this helps

Edited September 9, 2012 by sixhills 69

[the crowman]

Thanks for the swift reply.

Cheers Mark

[ajm1979]

I have just asked for an open ticket and as I have only had cert 18 motnhs they have said wait untill 3 years, however I know have a letter off firearms department stating that although I am on a closed ticket, I dont have to send in a permission letter so long as the land has been previously checked and I can shoot on other peoples permissions with them again if the land has been previosuly checked. The letter does go on to state to be certain written permission is preffered but not essential. I asked the feo to clarify this when he checked my cabinets at my new address as I do alot of shooting with my father in law on his permissions, again he explained I could shoot on any of his land without notifying the police if the land has been previously checked

[al4x]

however if you are shooting on his land where he is the occupier or their servant you can still shoot under their conditions not yours so effectively you can shoot if the ground isn't cleared, with their gun not yours.

Edited September 9, 2012 by al4x

[kyska]

Al4x that's a really salient point, although 'occupier' is a hard thing to quantify!

[CharlieT]

I have just asked for an open ticket and as I have only had cert 18 motnhs they have said wait untill 3 years, however I know have a letter off firearms department stating that although I am on a closed ticket, I dont have to send in a permission letter so long as the land has been previously checked and I can shoot on other peoples permissions with them again if the land has been previosuly checked. The letter does go on to state to be certain written permission is preffered but not essential. I asked the feo to clarify this when he checked my cabinets at my new address as I do alot of shooting with my father in law on his permissions, again he explained I could shoot on any of his land without notifying the police if the land has been previously checked

 

This is how it has always been for everyone.

[sixhills 69]

however if you are shooting on his land where he is the occupier or their servant you can still shoot under their conditions not yours so effectively you can shoot if the ground isn't cleared, with their gun not yours.

 

Different police forces have their own rules mine want everything in writting as for the occupier or servant this is going into an area which is not black or white and there are a lot of grey areas and i am not willing to loose my ticket because someone interprets the law different to someone else. I was told by my FEO i can go shooting on someone elses land with them using my own gun as long as the land has been cleared for that calibre.

[CharlieT]

on a closed ticket you can only shoot on the land if you have written permission and you have informed your local firearms licencing team and the land has been passed by them as being suitable for that calibre. this is then held on your firearms file.

an open ticket gives the holder the right to shoot on land he has verbale permission to shoot on he does not have to have an feo to check it first.

hope this helps

 

Although advisable, you don't legally need to have permission in writing. Verbal permission will do for both open and closed ticket holders.

Closed ticket holders do not need to inform their firearms department, all they need do is ensure the land has been cleared for their calibre by asking someone who knows, be that the farmer, police or say a gamekeeper.

The only time they must contact the police is when they need to get uncleared land cleared.

[sixhills 69]

As i said each force has their own rules and not many will tell them they are wrong

[bedwards1966]

No, you cannot shoot with someone with an open FAC on uncleared land, you do need to get the land passed for you to shoot on it, unless you can fall under the 'servant' rules.

[DaveK]

on a closed ticket you can only shoot on the land if you have written permission and you have informed your local firearms licencing team and the land has been passed by them as being suitable for that calibre. this is then held on your firearms file.

an open ticket gives the holder the right to shoot on land he has verbale permission to shoot on he does not have to have an feo to check it first.

hope this helps

 

There's nothing to say you need the permission in writing. That's just something demanded by licensing to make their paper audit trail look good.

 

The fact you have an FAC restricts you. Someone with no FAC can shoot under supervision. Your FAC legally restricts you to the firearms listed on it and for the purposes stated under the conditions. However some licensing managers, though are getting pragmatic about people applying for bigger calibres and suggesting people break their conditions by getting experience of the calibres with someone who has one.

 

 

Edited September 9, 2012 by DaveK

[bicykillgaz]

I asked my old feo this and he said I could shoot any land that had already been cleared and I could also use my guns as a guest under supervision of an open ticket holder on their land.

[DaveK]

I asked my old feo this and he said I could shoot any land that had already been cleared and I could also use my guns as a guest under supervision of an open ticket holder on their land.

 

Problem being Gaz, if you get an invite out of your area, the police at that end may not agree and then you could be on a whole heap of brown stuff. They don't seem to get it through their tiny little skulls that they could be setting someone up for a fall with some of the advice they give.

[bicykillgaz]

 

 

Problem being Gaz, if you get an invite out of your area, the police at that end may not agree and then you could be on a whole heap of brown stuff. They don't seem to get it through their tiny little skulls that they could be setting someone up for a fall with some of the advice they give.

 

 

Fair point mate, the question was asked regarding me going out with someone localish to me so I didn't ask about leaving the shire!

[kyska]

I asked my old feo this and he said I could shoot any land that had already been cleared and I could also use my guns as a guest under supervision of an open ticket holder on their land.

 

Well thats the right advice though, if the land is cleared and you have permission, you can shoot it with a 'closed' licence.

 

There's not much between 'open and closed' really is there? As long as you have permission.

[castletyne]

I just phoned my FEO today as i have been asked to help with a fox problem at the weekend but they still want permission in writing as i have a closed ticket even though the land is cleared for the calibre i am using

 

I didnt think i needed it in writing for every permission i get

[al4x]

You don't if its cleared that is enough

[fruitloop]

you only need to phone flo if the land is not been pased or if you dont know what cal it was pased for on a closed ticket.

as said depends on force interpretation of the law. but if the land is passed for say a .308 enything up to and below that is fine

Edited September 26, 2012 by fruitloop

[matty thud]

this topic just got me worried then coz ive been out with my mate shooting up in yorkshire dales couple off times and off sat as well so just phoned him to ask if im still ok to go and he says all land cleared for all calibiers and hav verbal permission for that day

[bedwards1966]

I just phoned my FEO today as i have been asked to help with a fox problem at the weekend but they still want permission in writing as i have a closed ticket even though the land is cleared for the calibre i am using

 

I didnt think i needed it in writing for every permission i get

 

There are two types of closed ticket. One states the farm/land you may shoot on, in which case you may need it added. This type is very rare.

 

The other type says something like 'over land deemed suitable by the chief of police'. If you've got this wording, then you may shoot on any land passed, provided you have permission. You do not need written permission, nor do you need to tell the police that your shooting there.