Zulu Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Going to look at a Victor Saresqueta 12G 28"Boxlock Ejector 1/4 x 3/4 at the weekend , from the info I have been provided it was made in 1978 and finished and regulated by Benjamin Wild & Sons (Gunmakers ) Birminham early 80"s . Anyone with any knowledge of these shotguns and the finishing off by UK Gunsmith and can give me a rough idea of price ( private sale ) afore I go ? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Middle- of- the- road quality Spanish make who`s value is entirely dependant on it`s condition but would be on a par with,or slightly less than, the equivalent spec. model of an AYA. You need to be a bit careful with the "finished and regulated by..." bit. Around that time a number of UK gunsmiths brought in foreign guns "in the white" and finished them extensively. It is something that is still done by the gun trade today and might involve fitting English mainsprings,re blacking the barells,regulating the ejectors, regulating the patterns, refinishing the woodwork, and a number of other small jobs. Equally, the finishing and regulating might have consisted of no more than a "gunsmith" having a quick look over it to make sure that the Spanish quality control was up to scratch.It wasn`t always! Trouble is, it`s very hard to know what the level of f and r was unless you know a bit about guns to begin with, and if you did you would`nt be asking... I know this does`nt help very much. If the vendor states that it has been through the hands of an English gunmaker, ask him if he knows what exactly they did to the gun. The most obvious would be re blacking the barrels which, if they have been done, will have a deep,lustreous, black finish. If it was only regulating the chokes then this is almost impossible to confirm. Properly regulating a choke is a long and time consuming process requiring great skill. On a cheap Spanish gun with a tight profit margin this was rarely done properly, sometimes if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Thanks for the in depth response mudpatten much appreciated , you have confirmed my assumptions on finishing & regulating , yes I guess you are right in saying it depends on what the gunmaker did to the shotgun when he had it . Doing some research I thought it was similar to AYA No 3/4 , during the time of manufacture Victor Saresqueta only produced 2 boxlock models so guessing its one of these , spoke to the Gunmaker"s son last week ( Benjamin Wild & Sons )who are still operating and he said his dad finished these guns off to a higher standard during the early eighties. Dont think I will get much info from the seller as he is selling it on behalf of an elderly relative , price wise looking on various sites bocklock ejectors vary from £250/£750 but I dont know the quality/standard of them. Can only have alook and see how it is . Thanks again . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 My first gun was a Victor Saresqueta.That was about 30 years ago. I was very proud of my first gun and wrote to the Shooting Times about it. I paid 180 at the time and while it wasnt published I did get a reply to say that the price was a fair one. They also told me that was a Saresqueta sidelock which was worth a bit more. But as I said that was 30 years ago when s/s were the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 My first gun was a Victor Saresqueta.That was about 30 years ago. I was very proud of my first gun and wrote to the Shooting Times about it. I paid 180 at the time and while it wasnt published I did get a reply to say that the price was a fair one. They also told me that was a Saresqueta sidelock which was worth a bit more. But as I said that was 30 years ago when s/s were the norm. Wonder what it would be worth now in good condition ? was it new when you bought it ?, my brother bought a new AYA Yoeman SBS in 1971 for about £32 if he remembers correctly and sold it 2 yrs ago for £150 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I owned the same model years ago,they were a poor man`s AYA.Nice enough guns at their price point. Wouldn`t say the `regulated` bit adds any value,it`s still a Sarasqueta ! Price it £50-150 below equivalent AYA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 I owned the same model years ago,they were a poor man`s AYA.Nice enough guns at their price point. Wouldn`t say the `regulated` bit adds any value,it`s still a Sarasqueta ! Price it £50-150 below equivalent AYA. Thanks for the advice . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 A friend shoots one in great condition (SLE). It looks as nice as my AyA no2 but the triggers aren't quite as crisp and up close the engraving a chequering not quite as clean. But it's a nice sle for £500 half the price of a no2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 A friend shoots one in great condition (SLE). It looks as nice as my AyA no2 but the triggers aren't quite as crisp and up close the engraving a chequering not quite as clean. But it's a nice sle for £500 half the price of a no2 Thanks viewing this aft possibly , I think it all depends on condition afore I make an offer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Zulu I bought my gun second hand in the early eighties but with very little wear. It was fixed choke (obviously) and I had it opened out to about 3/8 and 5/8. I'm amazed I can remember the exact details - I must have been very proud of it. Anybody from NI - I bought from **** Heslip when he was in Dromara. I met **** 4 years ago at his son's driven duck shoot in Fermanagh. Needless to say he didnt remember me, but I really enjoyed meeting him again and thanking me for his help getting me started. His son's (Willie Heslip) duck shoot is now in Castle Dillon in Co. armagh. Nothing to do with Victor Saesqueta though! The four star award (!) I won above was because I used the abbreviated form of Richard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Viewed the Saresqueta but it was too much for me at £400 and the owner wasn"t up for offers , called in a Local RFD and bought an as new AYA Yoeman SBS so it worked out well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumphant59 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 If the sarasqueta was 28" (a lot where 26) and it had been restocked with nice walnut (they sometimes where) £400 would be reasonable. However if it had just had the spanish varnish stripped of and oiled I would say £250 max if it was tidy and tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 If the sarasqueta was 28" (a lot where 26) and it had been restocked with nice walnut (they sometimes where) £400 would be reasonable. However if it had just had the spanish varnish stripped of and oiled I would say £250 max if it was tidy and tight. Std 28" shotgun , would have offered up to £250 but much too low for seller . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triumphant59 Posted October 5, 2012 Report Share Posted October 5, 2012 Let him keep hoping, he'll not get £400, he's talking AYA No4 in good condition!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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