Muddy Funker Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Quick question for you guys,,,,, I'm going on a short trip to a farm in Kent next year that has a couple of lakes plus a nice amount of land to shoot over. Staying there gives you access to shoot over the land which is something I did this year with the shotty. I'd like to take the 22LR next time possibly the HMR to use on the many bunnies on the land. Now the problem is I'll have permission by virtue of the fact I'm staying there but my licence is closed. Is there any work around for this? I was thinking of seeing if the farm can supply me with written permission that I can shoot on the land possibly with the provision that it is only when I'm there as a paying guest, Then send it in to Sussex and get that land added to my cert. Is this a reasonable idea or does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ask the farm if the land has been cleared for rimfire . If it has then everybody who has permission can shoot . Not just the person who had it cleared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Ask the farm if the land has been cleared for rimfire . If it has then everybody who has permission can shoot . Not just the person who had it cleared The problem I think I've got is my firearms cert is closed, so even though I'll have permission to shoot my thinking is I'll still have to notify Sussex and get that piece of land added to my file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokie Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Sorry you have misunderstood . Cleared land is cleared land deamed suitable by chief officer . If the land has been passed then your closed ticket allows you to shoot on it . Your name is not written against any land . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Haha I'm working nights at the moment so the cogs are whirring a little slow. I was under the impression that even if the land had been cleared for the calibre I want to use I would still have to notify my force I would be shooting there. Perfect, so if the land is cleared 'which it is' and I have permission 'which I will have' then I can shoot there on a closed cert? Mint :-) Thanks for the reply!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 As long as the land owner or tenant has giving you permission, doesn't need to be in writing, and the land has been cleared, by the chief, for the calibre your using then you can shoot over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Check the wording on your certificate. The common type for a closed certificate will say you can shoot 'over land deemed suitable by the Chief Constable' or words to that effect. The other type says 'over XYZ farm/piece of land'. The latter is very rare, and if you have the first type then you can shoot anywhere that has been cleared. Just check it is cleared, if not the force area that covers that land will clear it. You don't need written permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Cheers guys,, It's definitely a closed cert I just got my wires crossed a little with the procedure. For some reason I thought if it was closed then the issuing force have to have every piece of land you shoot on linked to your file in some way. So it's just if the land hasn't been cleared before that I need to contact them, sorted. Happy new year and thanks for putting me straight :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 For some reason I thought if it was closed then the issuing force have to have every piece of land you shoot on linked to your file in some way. Have to admit, that's what I thought too. You learn something every day. Doesn't apply to me as mine is open but interesting all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb79 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I hope it is already cleared, but if it turns out that its not, Kent are ridiculously slow at clearing land at the moment- well in my area at least. I submitted permission slips for 6 bits of land in early November, 5 of which i believe are already cleared and I am still to get a straight answer as to whether I can shoot on my closed ticket there. At least I'm gaining justification for an early open ticket as im turning down shooting because i cant get land cleared quick enough but two months minimum is pretty poor. If it does need checking get the papers in as soon as. Fingers crossed it'll be cleared already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Cheers guys, It's defo cleared though I'm not sure to what calibre, I'll ask. They send a form out that asks for your certificate number but they don't say what the limits are, maybe there isn't any? I'll take the Barrett :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 (edited) A closed certificate basically means that YOU are not eligible to decide wether any land is,or is not,suitable (i.e. safe) to use the calibre/type of firearm that you intend to use there.The land must have been previously cleared by the police for you to shoot with a closed ticket.On the other hand,an open ticket gives you the right to decide if a piece of land is suitable without the police being involved so as long as permission has been granted from the landowner you may shoot away.It is sometimes best,however,if the land is new to you and firearms,to let the police know that you are going to be there-people in the area may not be used to seeing/hearing rifle fire and can bee quick to phone the boys in blue.Using a firearm on such land as YOU have deemed safe does not mean that the land is cleared for other closed ticket holders. Edited January 1, 2013 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 A couple of people have said that you do not need permission in writing - this is quite true. Personally I would never shoot over land where I did not have permission in writing. If something should happen you need to make sure that you have covered all angles and you do not want to risk the person who gave you permission being at all uncertain about what was said. Maybe the person who gave you permission was not really authorised to do so? Maybe they suddenly realise that they may carry a liability and want to wriggle out of it? Two things for you to do: 1. Get permission to shoot on that land in writing. 2. Give the details of the land to your local police force and they will check, with the other force if necessary, that the land has been cleared for your calibre. Virtually all farmland in UK has already been cleared for rimfire and a high percentage of it for larger calibres as well. No visit is required and confirmation of clearance often only involves a quick phone call to check that the land has previously been approved. Basically, don't trust anyone, get it in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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