goodo123 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 How does it sound sensible that someone who has a sgc cannot own a air rifle above 12ft lb without a fac? I understand really high power air rifles should be restricted but do you think they should open it up to say 30ftlb for sgc holder's, and before anyone says yes I do realize a sgc is specifically named that way. But just seems a little daft you are deemed responsible for something with more power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 it does seem crazy but its the way it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 And a person with FAC cannot buy a sec2 shotgun..........without applying for an SGC that seems more bonkers... But that's UK firearm legislation...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 big difference is with a shotgun you dont need to give a reason to own, fac air is the same as a .308 centerfire in that to have a ticket for either then a reason to own needs to be proved IE you need land, or be a member of a club etc.so its not just about responsibility KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Im sure I read (or have heard it said ie folklore) that you have an inherent right to have a shotgun (bit like the americans constitutional right to bare arms?) But an air rifle over 12ft/lbs is classed as a firearm for which you have to show good cause or need in order to possess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 thats life, what i`d like to happen, increase the ftlb limit to 15ftlbs so that we can actually use 12 ftlbs without being punished. .177 would rock ! standardise and publish the police protocal for testing an airgun. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think all guns including air rifles should be governed by the same certificate. Of course it could be easier to get for an air rifle than a shotgun and then rifle, but one form of certificate should do. With a listed maximum muzzle energy and number of guns allowed to be held you could engineer it to the holders needs. That would make life so simple - no more variations, just go shooping and buy/sell anything within your limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard V Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 And a person with FAC cannot buy a sec2 shotgun..........without applying for an SGC that seems more bonkers... But that's UK firearm legislation...... So a FAC holder only can own a 8 shot S/A but not a 3 shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I know it's the law but compareing a 308 to a 30 ft lb air rifle seems crazy, the law regarding everyone has the right to have a shotgun then whydo they ask on iinterview for reasons to own one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 So a FAC holder only can own a 8 shot S/A but not a 3 shot? yep if they have a slot for hi cap pump/semi they can't buy an OU..... If they have a slot for short SxS they can't have an OU either..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It could be worst if you live in N Ireland you need a FAC for any air rifle. And have to be in a club to own a air pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It could be worst if you live in N Ireland you need a FAC for any air rifle. And have to be in a club to own a air pistol. But you can get a pistol................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm not so sure that certificates for air rifles is such a terrible idea. Everyone moans that it would put people off of the sport but I don't think it would. Think how many kids go fishing - you need paperwork for that and it's just accepted and done. And to say that the cost is prohibitive - well a co-terminous FAC/SGC only costs about £12 per year - two tins of pellets! If you can't afford that then you can't really afford to shoot can you. All this is of course assuming that when someone without a certificate gets caught plinking at next doors cat they would get the same punishment as they would if they did it with a shotgun. Works in my mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I go sea fishing and don't need a licence, as a lad the fishing licence is what put me off all other type of fishing. I agree with air rifles being licenced though - perhaps anything over 6 ft/lbs should have one, but they shouldn't cost 50 quid but nearer 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I also think RFD's should be able to do 1-4-1 variations ie take in your old .22LR and go out with a new one... Air rifles i think a proof of ID (passport/photo driving licence) recorded at point of purchase (all business sellers are RFD's now anyway) and buyers have to be over 18 is enough. Licencing needs review as it is illogical impractical and pretty pointless at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 30 ft lb is considerably more dangerous in urban environments like back gardens. I was once very much in favour of an 15 ft lb limit and a reduced ticket, though it seems so many airgun abuse incidents pull all shooting sports down more and more so these days I think otherwise. drop it to 8ft lb and the club shooters and legit hunters can get an FAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 But you can get a pistol................ True but i would have to go trough the same procedure to get a air pistol as a .44 magnum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 True but i would have to go trough the same procedure to get a air pistol as a .44 magnum. Why would you bother with an air pistol tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Why would you bother with an air pistol tho.... I wouldn't but some at the club do. I bought a .22 Browning Buckmark for cheap shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I wouldn't but some at the club do. I bought a .22 Browning Buckmark for cheap shooting. Shot one in jersey great fun, if only we could here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 I understand what people are saying regarding a licence, I agree that one license would be better than sec1 and sec2 separate. Maybe have one license with fair restrictions. How easy would it streamline things, also don't have a fac but wouldn't a ammo "book" be better than putting everything on one license? Why are their limits to max purchase on ammo anyway? I could understand if they didn't need to be locked up if they got stolen etc, also who realistically is going to afford to buy thousands of 308 etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 also who realistically is going to afford to buy thousands of 308 etc nut job with a credit card........ A driving liscence style card with RFD's doing 141 or 1 for empty variations is the way to go, add pistols back to sec 1 for target shooting, and job done private sales update by post as now. Card links to DB and holds no info on the card ammo buy allowances added there but hold allowance? Buy your limit in too quick a time and visit from police simples means RFD's need a PC and Internet connection with a PDQ type machine attached.... If system falls over back to paper or paper copies to be produced at point of sale. Police linked to system via PNC as already just read the number off the card over the radio job done..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibspoon Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Lets face it. Its a money spinner. I love the idea of dealers being able to do 1-4-1 variations. But the govt won't like it because they'd loose the variation fee. (I dont think the police get the money, do they?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 They can still charge but 1-4-1 are free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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