Organ donation and the B.M.A idea

[JonathanL]

 

If you were to state that, I would probably have a heart attack before I had managed to re-register with the organ donation scheme.

 

Considering the length of time it takes to become a QC, leaving some of your marginal time to obtain the medical degree, I would probably think exactly what I do now. Your style of posting and the blinkered content leads me to believe you don't have the intellect for either.

 

Precisely my point. regardless of what I told anyone it wouldn't make any difference because your mind is made up.

 

So, tell me; what occupation/education would I have to tell you that would make in difference to your current views on me?

 

J.

[welsh1]

 

But surely if that is the case they wouldn't use your organs in any event?

 

I don't follow the logic that once you have opted out your body is owned by the government at the behest of medical companies. Surely if you opt-out then the opposite is true?

 

The opt-out system is actually safer for people who don't want to be donors because it will mean that their organs can never be used for transplant if that is something they don't want to happen. Currently there is no method by which you can make that decision.

 

J.

If you don't carry a card or are not registered on the donor register they cannot take your organs,so your last point is invalid and wrong,come on son you are not firing on all cylinders today,did you have a bad nights sleep?

[Gordon R]

Jonathan - your education or employment are a matter of indifference to me and would not alter my view. I judge on what you post.

Sometimes you post sensible, detailed informative posts which are useful.

 

Sadly, they are in the minority.

My honest opinion is that you are still at school, as your manner seems immature.

[JonathanL]

Here's my witty retort,

grow up walter and pass your gcse's first

 

As I said - witty in your own mind.

 

Keep up old boy, the register is english and the new opt in is in Wales,so i can opt out of the Welsh version but still be on the register and carry a card.It is a principal thing.For someone who normally quotes chapter and verse you are not very well informed or researched today

 

Opt-out, I think you'll find that is. Do try to be more informed and researched.

 

Being a tad clearer in that post I responded to wouldn't have been a bad thing.

 

Then you are not as well informed as you like to think, it was on the bbc web page last night, that is why i said it was on the bbc last night

 

Why the childish sarcasm? I was merely saying that I hadn't hreard about it and offered a comment in relation to it? See what I was saying before; people have their own preconceptions about anything I say and are becoming quite incapable of simply reading what is written before them.

 

You didn't mention that this was on the BBC website. You mentioned the BBC in a different paragraph relating to a different subject - the experience of other countries that had tried it. Nothing to do with religious objections.

 

Do try to keep up with your own writings.

 

J

Edited July 3, 2013 by JonathanL

[Pole Star]

When is this thread going to be moved to the play pen too ?

[welsh1]

So Wales have gone and voted consent in,now the rest of the country don't have to bother because in a twist to this debacle Welsh organs will be available to all of the uk.

 

It will also be interesting to see what various religious groups will now do as they are already protesting that they should not have this thrust upon them.

 

The bbc site funnily enough states that countries that have this scheme only see a very small increase with on average 15 extra donors and approximately 45 extra organs,taking this into account,is the proposed 8 million on advertising and then the running costs of the scheme worth it.(harsh I know but has to be said,please don't use the "if it saves one life"argument)

Surely given the average increase they expect in organs this money could have been better spent on an advertising campaign to get more volunteers and probably had a greater success.

 

If the politicians weren't so intent on preening themselves they could have raised the donation rate by advertising,look at the bone marrow register,a few years ago it was virtually un heard of,but thanks to the hard work of some people they now have a good database of volunteers(you can become one as well)and this was archived by educating people to the merits of being on the list,not forcing them.

 

 

And just to finish, why are the welsh assembly now wasting 8 million on advertising,as everyone is automatically enrolled on the register,and if I am to believe certain people on here no one will bother to take themselves off the list as they are to idle to do it.

 

8 million, how many dialysis machines and support staff would that buy?

 

 

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Just for you j as you obviously can't be bothered to go back and read it.

 

As an aside,funny how they can now spend 8 million to advertise it ,but didn't think to spend that to encourage donors in the first place,this has been my argument all along.

[JonathanL]

Jonathan - your education or employment are a matter of indifference to me and would not alter my view. I judge on what you post.

 

Yet you felt the need to pass comment earlier in the thread.

 

Sometimes you post sensible, detailed informative posts which are useful.

 

Sadly, they are in the minority.

My honest opinion is that you are still at school, as your manner seems immature.

 

Says the person who habitually punctuates his posts with childish smiley faces - usually doubled up.

[welsh1]

 

Jonathan - your education or employment are a matter of indifference to me and would not alter my view. I judge on what you post.

 

Yet you felt the need to pass comment earlier in the thread.

 

Sometimes you post sensible, detailed informative posts which are useful.

 

Sadly, they are in the minority.

My honest opinion is that you are still at school, as your manner seems immature.

 

Says the person who habitually punctuates his posts with childish smiley faces - usually doubled up.

 

Nothing wrong with a pair,i like a nice pair

[Gordon R]

Jonathan - straight question - yes or no answer - are you still at school?

[JonathanL]

Just for you j as you obviously can't be bothered to go back and read it.

 

As an aside,funny how they can now spend 8 million to advertise it ,but didn't think to spend that to encourage donors in the first place,this has been my argument all along.

 

Sorry mate, but where is the problem?

 

The point you made about religious objection was NOT in relation to it having been on the BBC, website or otherwise. What I said was perfectly correct; the reference to the BBC you made was the next paragraph down in your post which was about the experience of other countries who had tried the system. You didn't start talking about the BBC until after your point about religious objection.

 

J.

[welsh1]

 

Sorry mate, but where is the problem?

 

The point you made about religious objection was NOT in relation to it having been on the BBC, website or otherwise. What I said was perfectly correct; the reference to the BBC you made was the next paragraph down in your post which was about the experience of other countries who had tried the system. You didn't start talking about the BBC until after your point about religious objection.

 

J.

I would like to play your pedantic games but funnily i am to bored to do so,you saw the post you could have looked at the site,you didn't,now if you will excuse me i have some corned beef hash to eat, and then i am going to do something j has never done,i am off out shooting (like those) will look in on the mobile,but fat fingers will prevent posting for a while.

[overandunder2012]

When is this thread going to be moved to the play pen too ?

your watching two pw champions doing what they do best

[Pole Star]

your watching two pw champions doing what they do best

 

I know ! .

[welsh1]

Why move it to the play pen,j is perfectly entitled to put forward his argument,it may be the wrong argument, but he is entitled to make it :lol:

 

Evening j :good:

[FalconFN]

Wow, PW at it's most petty and pedantic.

 

It's OK to disagree with each other so why some people have to sink to 'you probably don't shoot/I shoot more than you', is beyond me, especially as the topic is not shooting related. TEH, if you enjoy posting pictures and looking at dead stuff, good for you, but unless you are harvesting fox organs for the local fox rescue centre it is totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

Personally, I have carried a donor card with me since 1993 when I turned 18 and I will continue to do so, and the opt-out method is a good idea which will save more lives and improve the quality of others.

[Pole Star]

Why move it to the play pen,j is perfectly entitled to put forward his argument,it may be the wrong argument, but he is entitled to make it :lol:

 

Evening j :good:

 

As the Welsh dictatorship has voted in favor of stealing from their defenseless citizens I dont think their is much point in this going on now , but it has been most entertaining .

[welsh1]

Wow, PW at it's most petty and pedantic.

 

It's OK to disagree with each other so why some people have to sink to 'you probably don't shoot/I shoot more than you', is beyond me, especially as the topic is not shooting related. TEH, if you enjoy posting pictures and looking at dead stuff, good for you, but unless you are harvesting fox organs for the local fox rescue centre it is totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

Personally, I have carried a donor card with me since 1993 when I turned 18 and I will continue to do so, and the opt-out method is a good idea which will save more lives and improve the quality of others.

You obviously haven't been following closely enough otherwise you would know the context of the shooting comment,

As for your donor card, good for you,but the opt in /out matter is another beast,and if you had read earlier posts i have made then you would see that according to the experts it doesn't really make much of a difference when opt out is in existance.

 

All along i have said education is the answer, make it "cool" to have a donor card,but governments have spent next to nothing on it.Now the Welsh assembly have passed opt in/out and then announce they will spend 8 million advertising it,why? they have made a law already.

 

 

As the Welsh dictatorship has voted in favor of stealing from their defenseless citizens I dont think their is much point in this going on now , but it has been most entertaining .

You have a point mate,maybe a mod could light the blue touch paper while we all stand well back

[The Essex Hunter]

Why move it to the play pen,j is perfectly entitled to put forward his argument,it may be the wrong argument, but he is entitled to make it :lol:

 

Evening j :good:

 

 

Wow, PW at it's most petty and pedantic.

 

It's OK to disagree with each other so why some people have to sink to 'you probably don't shoot/I shoot more than you', is beyond me, especially as the topic is not shooting related. TEH, if you enjoy posting pictures and looking at dead stuff, good for you, but unless you are harvesting fox organs for the local fox rescue centre it is totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

Personally, I have carried a donor card with me since 1993 when I turned 18 and I will continue to do so, and the opt-out method is a good idea which will save more lives and improve the quality of others.

 

Good for you..

 

 

I am quite happy in the off topic or any of the other sections on here, unlike some…

Foxes, Pigeons, Deer, Rabbits, Geese, and Ducks making stuff etc all float my boat.

I will be harvesting some foxes very soon….just to make sure the ground nesting birds have a chance..

 

 

 

TEH

[bruno22rf]

Welsh1-in response to your request to see my donor card-after 30 years of Diabetes,A heart attack,A stroke,A double transplant,CMV + the myriad of problems that the previous conditions bring with them, I doubt that the Medical profession want anything of mine, however, during my second bout of Scepticemia earlier this year, when things looked dire for me, I asked my Consultant if he would consider removing my transplanted organs before I died because heart beat organs are far more successful-so you are right, I don't carry a card, but my wishes are well documented.

[welsh1]

Welsh1-in response to your request to see my donor card-after 30 years of Diabetes,A heart attack,A stroke,A double transplant,CMV + the myriad of problems that the previous conditions bring with them, I doubt that the Medical profession want anything of mine, however, during my second bout of Scepticemia earlier this year, when things looked dire for me, I asked my Consultant if he would consider removing my transplanted organs before I died because heart beat organs are far more successful-so you are right, I don't carry a card, but my wishes are well documented.

Well done mate

It wasn't a dig at you,but a lot of people say they will let all their bits go ,but don't have the forethought to be on the register or carry a card, or even have a living will.

 

If this thread has done nothing else(apart from entertain some)but encouraged people to register or carry a donor card then it has been worth it,and that is something i think we can all agree on,even j

[FalconFN]

You obviously haven't been following closely enough otherwise you would know the context of the shooting comment,

As for your donor card, good for you,but the opt in /out matter is another beast,and if you had read earlier posts i have made then you would see that according to the experts it doesn't really make much of a difference when opt out is in existance.

 

All along i have said education is the answer, make it "cool" to have a donor card,but governments have spent next to nothing on it.Now the Welsh assembly have passed opt in/out and then announce they will spend 8 million advertising it,why? they have made a law already.

 

I can't see any context that warrants brining shooting into it, it was just the usual attack the person because you can't attack the argument.

 

As with most things you can find 'experts' to support most views and clearly the BMA and Welsh assembly have listened to different experts.

 

I'd agree that education is the way forward but it takes regular and sustained funding for years and years, and many, many people don't have months let alone years to wait.

 

Only time will tell if it makes a difference, if it does I'm sure the rest of the UK will follow the Welsh example.

[bruno22rf]

Welsh1-no worries-we both share the same opinion.

[welsh1]

I can't see any context that warrants brining shooting into it, it was just the usual attack the person because you can't attack the argument.

As with most things you can find 'experts' to support most views and clearly the BMA and Welsh assembly have listened to different experts.

I'd agree that education is the way forward but it takes regular and sustained funding for years and years, and many, many people don't have months let alone years to wait.

Only time will tell if it makes a difference, if it does I'm sure the rest of the UK will follow the Welsh example.

The context of the shooting was that I told someone I was ending the conversation for a while as I was going out shooting,hardly the bringing shooting into it that you make out,the comment to j was a reference to another persons comment as to if j actually shot or just spent all his time on a computer,a fair comment seeing this is a shooting forum.there was no attack using shooting as you make out,go read the post.and I am sure j can stick up for himself,he has done a good job of it till now,and he gives as good as he gets,if he thought I was out of line he would pm me and take it to another level,both he and I both stay within the rules on open forum.

You are more than welcome to get stuck in,or as said if you want to be nasty you can pm me,the option is yours,be warned I am not polite if you want to argue by pm,you are welcome to be as un polite back.

 

And please remember this is just the Internet,don't take it to heart,another thread will be along to argue about soon( insert big kissy smilie)

[FalconFN]

The context of the shooting was that I told someone I was ending the conversation for a while as I was going out shooting,hardly the bringing shooting into it that you make out,the comment to j was a reference to another persons comment as to if j actually shot or just spent all his time on a computer,a fair comment seeing this is a shooting forum.there was no attack using shooting as you make out,go read the post.and I am sure j can stick up for himself,he has done a good job of it till now,and he gives as good as he gets,if he thought I was out of line he would pm me and take it to another level,both he and I both stay within the rules on open forum.

You are more than welcome to get stuck in,or as said if you want to be nasty you can pm me,the option is yours,be warned I am not polite if you want to argue by pm,you are welcome to be as un polite back.

 

And please remember this is just the Internet,don't take it to heart,another thread will be along to argue about soon( insert big kissy smilie)

I was referring to TEH's comment a couple of pages earlier....'Is there any chance you might go out and shoot something, take a few pictures and do a write up instead of the trash you type on here most of the time?'....and not yours (although the sentiment is quite similar).

 

I like a good debate and have no intention of getting nasty, PM'ing you or even getting into an argument - and I hope my post didn't give you that impression, but when several people start belittling someone it only ever reduces the discussion and nobody comes out looking anything other than a plank.

 

All the best (I'll see your big kissy smillie and raise you a loving hug)

[welsh1]

I was referring to TEH's comment a couple of pages earlier....'Is there any chance you might go out and shoot something, take a few pictures and do a write up instead of the trash you type on here most of the time?'....and not yours (although the sentiment is quite similar).

 

I like a good debate and have no intention of getting nasty, PM'ing you or even getting into an argument - and I hope my post didn't give you that impression, but when several people start belittling someone it only ever reduces the discussion and nobody comes out looking anything other than a plank.

 

All the best (I'll see your big kissy smillie and raise you a loving hug)

Sorry mate I thought you were commenting on my comment.

I take all posts with a pinch of salt,it is only the Internet,and you are right most threads end up the same way,but that is the nature of the beast on forums. And this thread was over long ago,if you look back all that has been said the last couple of days was said when the thread was started,and me and j couldn't agree then,it was only ever going to be a bun fight,and I am surprised it has lasted this long.

 

You would be surprised what some people will say in pm not so much on here but on some other forums it gets quite entertaining.

 

It's all a laugh,I appreciate the big hug( people are going to start talking) so man up you whimp.