kiffy Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 hi folks, i just bought my first shotgun through private hands and am not sure if ive done the transfer of firearms & shotguns form right as when i bought my previous guns the gun shop did them and i just signed them. when i went and bought the gun the guy (who has had a shotgun for over 40 years) wasnt 100% and said thet he believed we each filled in one side of the form, one side for me as a buyer and one with him as the seller. i thought maybe wrongly that we each filled a form in, me doing one side of mine and him doing the other side of his so which is right? i want to inform the police asap for obvious reasons but want to make sure its right. if it makes any difference im in south wales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markr Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 hi mate you fill in the left hand side (aquired a gun section) then send is recorded diliver to youre local firearms liscencing unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted February 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 thanks, i know i fill in the left side but when it comes to the seller niether of us knew if he filled in the other side of my form or filled in his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 The seller has to write on you certificate, the name/serial number of the shotgun. So, as there are 5 columns (A-F) the sequence is (A) date of sale/transfer ( B ) whether sold etc, ( C )Type of shotgun.Serial # (D) Name/Address of the person selling (E) Authority of possess would be his licence number (F) Signature. The SELLER has to enter these details on your certificate. YOU don't fill in anything, or do anything to his certificate. Then you both have to notify the police that (1) you bought the shotgun, and (2) the seller has to tell them that he sold it to you. There is a form printed by the police that is used for transactions/sales, and while it is not a legal document, everything can be written on it, and sent into them. I might have some spare ones here. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 There is no transfer form to fill in for either party. The seller fills in the table in the recipients certificate and both parties then notify their relevant licensing departments of the transaction by recorded delivery. That is all that you are legally required to do. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 There is no transfer form to fill in for either party. The seller fills in the table in the recipients certificate and both parties then notify their relevant licensing departments of the transaction by recorded delivery. That is all that you are legally required to do. J. The above is true, but South Wales Police have produced a transaction form that all details of sales/transactions can be entered. They state that the filling in the form is not a legal requirement, but I have found this form to be very handy to use, when notifying the police of the transaction. I'll see if I can find one, and put it on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 The above is true, but South Wales Police have produced a transaction form that all details of sales/transactions can be entered. They state that the filling in the form is not a legal requirement, but I have found this form to be very handy to use. I'll see if I can find one, and put it on here. Don't get me wrong, I can certainly see the benefit in this. However, the more non-required paperwork that is produced all adds to the workload and helps to push up the cost of licensing. Also, this sort of stuff tend to become a de-facto requirent after a while which is not a good thing. J,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I've got the form here can scan and email required, in my experience best to both send a copy in but i guess you could save postage and send just one form.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Both parties inform Seperatly (one of the Transfer/disposal the other acquisition) you dont need a Form, personally i use Email but best check with your FEO some Police forces dont like License holders using Emails to notify of Sale or purchase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillmouse Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Date of transfer Type of transfer Make Type Calibre Serial No Your name address Certificate details Name of transferee Transferees authority to possses (RFD/Certificate No,) We provide a standard form for customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Both parties inform Seperatly (one of the Transfer/disposal the other acquisition) you dont need a Form, personally i use Email but best check with your FEO some Police forces dont like License holders using Emails to notify of Sale or purchase I have no doubt that that is true but it remains the case that all transactions must be notified by recorded delivery. J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have no doubt that that is true but it remains the case that all transactions must be notified by recorded delivery. J. No they must not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 I have no doubt that that is true but it remains the case that all transactions must be notified by recorded delivery. J. Northants Police have an Online Form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) No they must not. Yes, they must. J. Northants Police have an Online Form But the law (not the police) says that it must be sent via recorded delivery. J. Edited February 17, 2013 by JonathanL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) Yes, they must. J. Well I never have and have never had a problem. How does that work then? If email notification wasn't adequate it wouldn't be offered as an option. Edited February 17, 2013 by sitsinhedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) Well I never have and have never had a problem. How does that work then? You could be a serial murderer and had never had a 'problem' but that doesn't make murder legal. Just because you haven't been caught does not make it legal. You have actually committed a criminal offence in not sending notification by recorded delivery. The fact remains (and you can argue all you like but you will still be wrong) that it is a legal requirement that you notify the transfer of a firearm by recorded delivery. J. Edited February 17, 2013 by JonathanL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 You could be a serial murderer and had never had a 'problem' but that doesn't make murder legal. Just because you haven't been caught does not make it legal. The fact remains (and you can argue all you like but you will still be wrong) that it is a legal requirement that you notify the transfer of a firearm by recorded delivery. J. My licence says I must write in, which I am doing via the email notification form. Having done so I get an instant reply from them confirming receipt of the necessary details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I have no doubt that that is true but it remains the case that all transactions must be notified by recorded delivery. J. Bit of a Sweeping statment there Some Police forces insist on Recorded Delivery Some accept Personal Delivery (Staffs Police. Warwickshire Police to name a couple) Others are ok With Emails (Cambridgeshire) Some are ok with a Fax I've handled over 800 transactions dealin with over 40 police forces I've Never sent a Recorded Delivery letter with a Form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 My licence says I must write in, which I am doing via the email notification form. Having done so I get an instant reply from them confirming receipt of the necessary details. Regardless of what it says it cannot abrogate the provisions of the Firearms Act which say that a transfer must be notified by recorded delivery. Hence, if you do not send the notification by recorded delivery you break the law. J., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Poon Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 JohnathanL , he said she said ....., we've all done it different in one way or another but at the end of the day the police know what we've been buying or selling, if it was illegal wouldn't we have been notified buy the police already that we're doing it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 You could be a serial murderer and had never had a 'problem' but that doesn't make murder legal. Just because you haven't been caught does not make it legal. You have actually committed a criminal offence in not sending notification by recorded delivery. The fact remains (and you can argue all you like but you will still be wrong) that it is a legal requirement that you notify the transfer of a firearm by recorded delivery. J. it is a legal requirement that you notify the transfer of a firearm "YES " The Police or the Law cant say Royal Mail Recorded Only , thats a Monopoly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) Bit of a Sweeping statment there Some Police forces insist on Recorded Delivery Some accept Personal Delivery (Staffs Police. Warwickshire Police to name a couple) Others are ok With Emails (Cambridgeshire) Some are ok with a Fax I've handled over 800 transactions dealin with over 40 police forces I've Never sent a Recorded Delivery letter with a Form You have claimed on other threads to be an RFD yet seem to have a scant understanding of the law. The fact is that the law requires that all notifications relating to transfers be sent by recorded delivery. There is no exeption to this and the police can not simply decide that it doesn't apply for whatever reason. For the avoidance of doubt; all notifications of transfers must be sent via recorded delivery; failure to do so constitutes an offence. J. Edited February 18, 2013 by JonathanL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thank you for your email which will receive attention as appropriate during office hours. If you are notifying us of the acquisition or disposal of a weapon please take this reply as confirmation it has been dealt with. Kind Regards, Firearms Licensing Firearms Licensing Unit Harpenden Police Station 15 Vaughan Road Harpenden Hertfordshire AL5 4GZ From Beds and Herts Police in the last Five mins ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 You have claimed on other threads to be an RFD yet seem to have a scant understanding of the law. The fact is that the law requires that all notifications relating to transfers be sent by recorded delivery. There is no exeption to this and the police can not simply decide that it doesn't apply for whatever reason. For the avoidance of doubt; all notifications of transfers must be sent via recorded delivery; failure to do so constitutes an offence. J. Can you not have the delivery of your email recorded Geordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbitbosher Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) I'm sure "Being an RFD" i would have been picked up on this I've handled More than 800 ! Maybe in 1968 it was ok , We're in the 21st Century , Most Police forces are ok With Emails from License Holders Edited February 18, 2013 by wabbitbosher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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