Gimlet Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Without a gun vice, a range of ammunition and a properly conducted gun test few shooters will ever split the makes for accuracy. What matters is shooter ability, ammo choice, learning your rifle/ammo combination cleaning requirements, and picking in the first place a rifle that fits you and suits you to give you the best chance of shooting it well. Any HMR rifle with the right ammo and correct maintenance will shoot 10mm or touching groups at 100 yds when fired off bags or a bench rest. I know my Weihrauch will manage 10mm at 125 yds, on a still day, but as it needs cleaning every 100 rounds I tend not to plink with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenj Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I have a CZ 452 Varmint HMR. Zeroed to 120 yards, 10mm high at a 100 yards. Bore snake with a drop of Bisley gun oil on the lead end of the snake after every shooting session, or twenty rounds in the field. Very accurate. Mine is a 16 inch barrel and did the trigger mod. Also relieved the the woodwork round the barrel, as it was touching one side. Perfect now. Edited February 22, 2013 by kenj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ears Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Cz 452 varmint 20" barrel. do the trigger and your in big time. At 100 yards on a still day i was shooting 3mm rivets out of a metal plate shot after shot. How accurate do you need to get. Put your money that your gonna waste into the glass to go on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 There is a lot of misleading advice on the hmr with accounts of olympic standard accuracy, this leads to frustration when someone buys a hmr and struggles to get what others claim from the calibre. Yes it is a very accurate calibre for what it is, a rimfire, my CZ varmint 16inch barrel shoots very well and most of the time I will shoot half inch groups and occasionally less but I just don't think the ammunition is up to a standard to consistantly shoot touching holes. I have three mates who also have hmr's and they feel exactly the same so I'm not thinking its just my rifle. My 243 and 308 which I feed with homeloads, which I have control over quality, shoot with much more consistant accuracy. Never the less, if you have the time and rabbit numbers to set up your hmr on a bipod and bags you can easily head shoot them out to 100yds and over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) There is a lot of misleading advice on the hmr with accounts of olympic standard accuracy, this leads to frustration when someone buys a hmr and struggles to get what others claim from the calibre. Yes it is a very accurate calibre for what it is, a rimfire, my CZ varmint 16inch barrel shoots very well and most of the time I will shoot half inch groups and occasionally less but I just don't think the ammunition is up to a standard to consistantly shoot touching holes. I have three mates who also have hmr's and they feel exactly the same so I'm not thinking its just my rifle. My 243 and 308 which I feed with homeloads, which I have control over quality, shoot with much more consistant accuracy. Never the less, if you have the time and rabbit numbers to set up your hmr on a bipod and bags you can easily head shoot them out to 100yds and over Speaking for myself I know my rifle will shoot 10 mm groups because i've done it enough times to know its no fluke, but that represents the best I've managed, and that's shooting from a table off bags. I wouldn't claim to reproduce that standard all day every day. In any case, hunting is about one shot, not shooting groups. I agree about ammo. Even my rifle's preferred brand often varies slighly box to box, never mind batch to batch; though it still beats the other brands overall. And likewise my centrefires are more than a match for the HMR. My .222, which is the first .22 CF I've owned, regularly amazes me by producing at 200 yds what the HMR does at 100 and that's with factory ammo. Again I, and probably the ammo, can't do it at every attempt, but regularly when checking zero or having a plink I've looked at the card and thought, hell, did I do that! If I could keep only one of my rifles it would be the triple. Edited February 22, 2013 by Gimlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepulchre Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I bought a new sako quad varmint .17HMR Last Saturday I reckon the quality is better than (wait for the retaliation) CZ but a little more expensive, it feels like a full bore rifle in weight and action, very impressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie223 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Hw 60 j enough said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 The HMR is accurate, there is little or no difference in any makes of rifle, (obviously every now and again you will get a bad one of any make). What I did notice with mine in the earley days was how ammo fussey it was, after several 1000 round through it, and proper cleaning throughout its life it will now take any 17g V-Max I care to use and put it on the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 (edited) Its really down to the shooter the ammo and his maintenance routine. By Cz 452 varmint would bug hole at 130yds by that I mean each hole intersecting (as long as there was truly no wind) and it would do that consistantly. That's stock std., no trigger jobs off a bipod and rear bag. Spend a few grand having a custom job built and it wont do no better unless you could tailor the ammo to it, which of course you cannot One of those things I would just have to see with my own eyes kent. It's possible, but "I" can't do this every day unfortunately (close though), and it's only 100 yards. Bog Standard CZ Silhouette HMR (Edit. sorry, Brooks Trigger kit) Edited February 23, 2013 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Have you been to Catton rifle shoot. I fancy going, they have all sorts of targets for CF,RF and HMR Yep went there last weekend. Great opportunity to check your accuracy. Carl does a great job at setting the targets and is a top bloke. Quite a few PW folk there as well, always good to meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggiegun Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Never been mate but if you fancy a trip out give us a shout.. only down the road for me but didn't realise hmr Yep went there last weekend. Great opportunity to check your accuracy. Carl does a great job at setting the targets and is a top bloke. Quite a few PW folk there as well, always good to meet. Yes I have heard good things, think I will have to go to the next one, its in April though. My son says he will kick by *** at long range, so we will have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hw 60 j enough said Very good choice. Only second place to a HW66 due to it bring a heavier gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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