FUEL PRICE ROBBERY AT TESCO!!

[Cosd]

£146.9 per litre on my weekend fill up!! £120 for fuel!! And that was at Tesco's

 

Madness.

[Gilberts1989]

£146.9 per litre on my weekend fill up!! £120 for fuel!! And that was at Tesco's

 

Madness.

 

we have the same car yet it cost me £68 ish to fill up

[Vipa]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with bringing the value of petrol up before it's been delivered. It's still WORTH something underground and if the value of petrol steeply rises then the stuff they have in their storage tanks is also worth more.

 

Imagine you had a store of gold in your house. You'd be pretty angry if you could only sell it at the value you advertised it at 20 minutes ago... (If the market is in your favour )

There's absolutely nothing wrong with bringing the value of petrol up before it's been delivered. It's still WORTH something underground and if the value of petrol steeply rises then the stuff they have in their storage tanks is also worth more.

 

Imagine you had a store of gold in your house. You'd be pretty angry if you could only sell it at the value you advertised it at 20 minutes ago... (If the market is in your favour )

 

Or even worse... as the post was trying to suggest... at the price you paid for it!

 

petrol & diesel when traded at the level of tesco becomes a tradable comodity, as Billy says, just like gold, rather than something you buy and pay for then move on at a profit

[beeredup]

Interesting I have always achieved less miles per tank on morrisons fuel both in my car and current works van, as such I have avoided morrisons where possible typically a 5%~10% drop over a tank full. I'll see what happens main issue is lack of conveinient locations for me.

 

Yup my VW don't like Morrisons Diesel then again the wife also found out it does not like Shell fuel saver Unleaded either!!! D'oh!!!!

[Vipa]

Yup my VW don't like Morrisons Diesel then again the wife also found out it does not like Shell fuel saver Unleaded either!!! D'oh!!!!

 

Morrison's diesel contains a higher amount of biodiesel than is the norm IIC

[sishyplops]

I tested this quite extensively on my ford ranger, we always fill up at Morrison and it did 25mpg all day every day apart from towing, filled up at gulf and checked it did 28 so carried on using premium stuff and now averages 29' , towed our caravan strait drive to York at 23 mpg , fuel was so expensive there that filled up at tesco and checked it when we got back and it had done 17mpg, now tell me supermarket fuel is as good! And to be fair our local gulf garage is generally the same price if not 1p a litre more , that's an extra 65p to fill up and get 4 mpg better, never use supermarket fuel again, but my dear misses gave me a bleedin receipt for sainsbury fuel today, thick mare I've a good mind to stick her in a lasagne

Edited March 7, 2013 by sishyplops

[Diceman]

 

You can get a point or opinion across without being nasty.

 

 

 

OK, I see, can you show us how that works?

 

 

WHY SO NASTY ARE YOU ON YOUR PERIOD OR JUST AN ***HOLE.

 

Right. Got it. Bold, caps, personal insults. Thanks for the etiquette lesson.

 

And I stand by my 'nasty' comments. If someone buys stolen red diesel and subsequently gets nicked or ruins their engine, then great. Perhaps they won't do it again. If you think I am being overly harsh then please do come back and defend this behaviour, I'd be very interested to hear your arguments.

[HDAV]

Diceman I agree with your comment and buying stolen red is up there with burglary AFAIAC.

Edited March 7, 2013 by HDAV

[NIGHT SEARCHER]

OK, I see, can you show us how that works?

 

 

 

Right. Got it. Bold, caps, personal insults. Thanks for the etiquette lesson.

 

And I stand by my 'nasty' comments. If someone buys stolen red diesel and subsequently gets nicked or ruins their engine, then great. Perhaps they won't do it again. If you think I am being overly harsh then please do come back and defend this behaviour, I'd be very interested to hear your arguments.

 

Jesus Christ Diceman chill out.

 

My first post was ment to be humorous not nasty.

 

I totally agree that buying cheap fuel or stolen fuel is very wrong and i have never said anything different.

 

I spent a full weekend last year helping a farmer put a new fuel tank inside a lockable building because of Red being stolen.

 

The best thing we did was to fill the old tank with water and 10 bottles of Ribena now he has a good laugh when somebody has nicked some.

Edited March 8, 2013 by NIGHT SEARCHER

[wymberley]

I tested this quite extensively on my ford ranger, we always fill up at Morrison and it did 25mpg all day every day apart from towing, filled up at gulf and checked it did 28 so carried on using premium stuff and now averages 29' , towed our caravan strait drive to York at 23 mpg , fuel was so expensive there that filled up at tesco and checked it when we got back and it had done 17mpg, now tell me supermarket fuel is as good! And to be fair our local gulf garage is generally the same price if not 1p a litre more , that's an extra 65p to fill up and get 4 mpg better, never use supermarket fuel again, but my dear misses gave me a bleedin receipt for sainsbury fuel today, thick mare I've a good mind to stick her in a lasagne

 

Thank you, thank you and thank you.

 

Been meaning to do something about my Ranger for ages as I'm running at 24 mpg - very short cold engine trips in the main - but just don't seem to get around to it - the Tesco filling station is very convenient. Then, on the day you posted, a new Gulf facility opened so I got my back side into gear. Nearly opened, however, would be more accurate - no diesel - so went to Shell. I had a good thrash up the motorway to Bristol over the weekend so there's not too much left in the tank so should get a first indication of any improvement in a couple of days.

 

Cheers,

Phil

[sishyplops]

Let us know how you get on, would be really interesting to see if your MPG goes up as well, to be honest my company car always gets filled up at Tescos or Morrison for the points and it does 37mpg, its an Audi A4 multitronic 2.0Diesel that is shockingly low for that engine even with supermarket juice in it, it has 76000 on the clock. its had sensor issues like they are going out of fashion

[wymberley]

I will. It may be prudent to wait until I put some more fuel in to check - not only for the obvious reasons, but the weather was looking to be nasty, so floored it on the way back to make sure we got mother in law (88) home safely in case it did turn and we got stuck.

[Dr_evil]

60mpg this evening on the M6 running gulf fuel

[wymberley]

I will. It may be prudent to wait until I put some more fuel in to check - not only for the obvious reasons, but the weather was looking to be nasty, so floored it on the way back to make sure we got mother in law (88) home safely in case it did turn and we got stuck.

Edited March 15, 2013 by wymberley

[Mike737]

Do what I do, run on cooking oil. Your allowed 2500 ltr a year without paying the robbing ***** tax. I filled up my disco for £68 yesterday

 

There has been a recent, very, very, long thread on this subject on a Land-Rover forum, and the consensus was that cooking oil is not 'Bio-diesel', and you would be liable to prosecution if your tank was dipped and you were found to be using it. You can use 'Bio-diesel', which is 're-manufactured/re-processed, recycled oil', but NOT new cooking oil, which is not a bio-fuel... You are allowed 2,500 litres per year of BF, but not new cooking oil. I think you also have to keep records. Personally, I would not want to gamble on having my vehicle confiscated, as against saving a few pence per litre on fuel. Also it has no additives, detergents etc, so the effects on your engine could be catastrophic. Look at your frying pan for the deposits of burnt- on oil! There are also any number of horror stories from people who filled up with BD, and then found their fuel filters clogged up shortly afterwards. At your own risk...

[wymberley]

60mpg this evening on the M6 running gulf fuel

 

Didn't know Lambretta did diesel.

[Dr_evil]

There has been a recent, very, very, long thread on this subject on a Land-Rover forum, and the consensus was that cooking oil is not 'Bio-diesel', and you would be liable to prosecution if your tank was dipped and you were found to be using it. You can use 'Bio-diesel', which is 're-manufactured/re-processed, recycled oil', but NOT new cooking oil, which is not a bio-fuel... You are allowed 2,500 litres per year of BF, but not new cooking oil. I think you also have to keep records. Personally, I would not want to gamble on having my vehicle confiscated, as against saving a few pence per litre on fuel. Also it has no additives, detergents etc, so the effects on your engine could be catastrophic. Look at your frying pan for the deposits of burnt- on oil! There are also any number of horror stories from people who filled up with BD, and then found their fuel filters clogged up shortly afterwards. At your own risk...

 

Ill informed or using the wrong vehicle, theres nothing wrong running a landrover with a 200 or 300tdi on veg, even the Tdi will run if you want it to. The newer ones wont though! TD5 are fussy as are TD4's and the older ones aren't tough enough pump wise

 

Once its mixed with derv its essentially bio so beats the system, you can run on 95% oil and 5% petrol or derv if you really want, its the way I've done it for a few years now, the way to beat it is simply to carry a spare £3 filter in the back of the vehicle and then when you start to feel the car begin to get sluggish change the filter over takes 2 mins and no tools on a 300 which is also an auto bleed system and at a saving of 50p per litre its worth it, the fuel is generally mixed with mentholated spirits and potassium something cant remember the compound but thats how you strip the fats out of it, and then if running without messing about just use non foaming agent stuff

[Gilberts1989]

 

 

There has been a recent, very, very, long thread on this subject on a Land-Rover forum, and the consensus was that cooking oil is not 'Bio-diesel', and you would be liable to prosecution if your tank was dipped and you were found to be using it. You can use 'Bio-diesel', which is 're-manufactured/re-processed, recycled oil', but NOT new cooking oil, which is not a bio-fuel... You are allowed 2,500 litres per year of BF, but not new cooking oil. I think you also have to keep records. Personally, I would not want to gamble on having my vehicle confiscated, as against saving a few pence per litre on fuel. Also it has no additives, detergents etc, so the effects on your engine could be catastrophic. Look at your frying pan for the deposits of burnt- on oil! There are also any number of horror stories from people who filled up with BD, and then found their fuel filters clogged up shortly afterwards. At your own risk...

 

I'm not quite sure you have got that right. I'm not getting confused with bio diesel because I have made and run bio diesel before. I'm talking about going into tescos, filling a trolly with 80 ltrs of cooking oil (in bottles of course otherwise it would be messy lol) and then filling my car up with it in the carpark and throwing the bottles into the on site recycling.

 

The law change on cooking oil in 2007. Here is a copy and paste from a website explaining the legality of it.

 

legality and fuel

It used to be the case that to legally use Straight Vegetable Oil as a vehicle fuel you had to pay duty on every litre that you set aside for road fuel purposes. However, since July 2007 if you are using/producing less than 2500 litres per year of SVO which is not duty paid then you are not required to pay duty on this fuel. This essentially means that for a business with low mileage use or for personal motoring, provided that it is not excessive, then the use of SVO can be duty free. Full details of this threshold limit can be found on this link http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4307.htm.

It should be noted that the 2500 litres per year is a threshold and not an allowance. If you exceed this allowance then you are required to pay duty on the full amount that you have used including this first 2500 litres.

 

If you use/produce SVO in quantities greater than 2500 litres per year then you are still liable to pay duty on every litre that you set aside for road fuel purposes. SVO falls under the same duty frame work as biodiesel, which since 2002 has had a duty rate 20p/l lower than the duty rate on Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD) – Notice 179E Biodiesel and Bioblend. The rate on biodiesel and SVO is currently 30.35p/l as the duty rate on ULSD is 50.35p/l.

 

 

There was a period in 2005 when there was confusion about whether SVO should attract the same reduced duty rate as biodiesel. However, following a public consultation and a review by the HMRC of the fiscal definition of biodiesel it was concluded that there was no definitive evidence to justify excluding SVO (Summary of responses: Review of the definition of biodiesel). Veg Oil Motoring has been claiming the reduced biodiesel duty rate on SVO, with the written approval of the HMRC, since 2003

 

 

The latest update on the taxation is that SVO producers that are registered to pay duty on their fuel can now be awarded Renewable Transport Fuel Obligation Certificates. This new scheme started at the beginning of April 2008 and involved the establishment of the Renewable Fuels Agency, under the Department for Transport. This agency awards certificates based on the renewable fuels that have been declared to the HMRC each quarter. It is believed that the certificates will equate to a return of around 14-15p/l on the duty that has been paid on SVO. Further details of this scheme will come to light once it has been in operation for over a quarter. For more details see www.dft.gov.uk/rfa.

[wymberley]

Let us know how you get on, would be really interesting to see if your MPG goes up as well, to be honest my company car always gets filled up at Tescos or Morrison for the points and it does 37mpg, its an Audi A4 multitronic 2.0Diesel that is shockingly low for that engine even with supermarket juice in it, it has 76000 on the clock. its had sensor issues like they are going out of fashion

 

After 11 gallons it's just about apparent that it starts a little more easily and quite apparent that it idles far more smoothly. There would appear to be no change in consumption but flogging it back from Bristol may account for that although often a couple of tank fulls are necessary to give a better idea. Just put in my usual five gallons and now won't be doing anything out of the ordinary which without fail puts the light on at exactly 24 mpg.

[sishyplops]

That's not good, have you changed the air filter recently? Also with recent weather it's not brilliant conditions for checking mpg with air con to demist the poxy rain and the odd 4 wheel drive day in the snow

Edited March 19, 2013 by sishyplops

[wymberley]

That's not good, have you changed the air filter recently? Also with recent weather it's not brilliant conditions for checking mpg with air con to demist the poxy rain and the odd 4 wheel drive day in the snow

Vehicle runs less than 7k a year and is regularly serviced annually. We've had no snow and no other adverse conditions - have just done another check and possibly a half a mile per gallon improvement, ie none.

Just filled with Gulf now that the filling station is fully up and running - last lot was Shell.

[sishyplops]

That's not so good, I know they are not brill n fuel but that's low even by ranger standards

[wymberley]

That's not so good, I know they are not brill n fuel but that's low even by ranger standards

The next service is coming up before too long and I know I can trust the garage - the owner and I served the same apprenticeship and it counts - so I'll get them to have a look. My trips are very short with several hours in between so it's always a cold run. Plus I have a truck top (not aluminium) fitted. Let's see how the Gulf goes.

[wymberley]

Bit of messing about this past week so was half expecting a drop but actually had a 5% improvement with the Gulf. That's still just two tank fulls since the Tesco fuel so it may get better yet - and it's cheaper.

[sishyplops]

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