anser2 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I can understand that Dominalbed and good luck with your fowling in the comming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I'm suprised it took you so long to start banging your anti kent drum robert. I would rather have marshes in club hand over protectionist groups and syndicate. Kent take fowling off no one, if they get a marsh local to you just join kent, simple. The days of a bottle of wiskey or a few quid are gone, farmers are well aware of the money now being offered for marsh land, the rspb off huge sums and if the clubs are not willing to pay the going rate they will lose it. BASC have millions sitting in the bank whilst we lose land hand over fist, at least kent are trying to do something about it, but all some see is their little bit of kingdom and want it all for themselves and a couple of friends, that attitude will lead to the demise of fowling not kents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Terry, they are likely to be taking some of my wildfowling away. I cant afford the sort of fees our landowner's agent is talking about. Offering £100,000 to rent a small marsh is only going to inflate the rents in the local area and so god only knows what we might have to pay for when my clubs lease expires. The days of a bottle of whisky for shooting are not gone yet. I have 40 acres of very good pheasant shooting given to me by a farmer because i did him a favour ,Two mates have good inland wildfowling for free on several marshland farms , my ex father in law had a lot of game shooting in the Fens again for the cost of a few brace of pheasants to the farmers. So its still out there , but it will not be if everyone who has a fat cheque book waves it under a landowners nose. Provided a club stays within its local area I have no problem , but when it starts to effect the shooting of others 100s of miles away its a very different story. Its a very good idea if our parent body BASC buys land and leases it back to the local club , but we run a very real risk of a couple of super clubs taking over much of the wildfowling ground in this country if the current trend continues. Wildfowling should be available to anyone who wants to fowl in their local area not for a few selfish greedy clubs looking to gobble up every bit of marsh they can lay their hands on no matter what part of the country its in.. Edited March 13, 2013 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Re the bottle of wiskey comment, I said for marsh land not game. You said fowling should be available to locals via local clubs but very often it isn't as the clubs have very small membership numbers, deliberatly so, so that its in all but name a syndicate of dinosaurs that will let no one in unless they are family of course.. Re Kent, I recall you coining the phrase 'super club', I'm led to believe they have not taken the marsh of any club by out bidding them in a underhanded or illegal fashion, if land is put out to the highest bidder and they win, well thats life, and perhaps fowlers that could not get into the old club will be able to get into kent, thus opening the fowling to potential new fowlers. From what I have read theya are a very forward thinking club and are taking the protection on land for fowling in the right direction, surely its better to have larger clubs in a position to outbit large protectionist organisations than small clubs losing land because they simply cannot. Market forces get everywhere pal even in deepest darkest kent and increasingly surrounding area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Terry if you think money should always be the most important factor then god help the future on the individual shooter or small club. As for the locals not being able to get into a nearby club in my area if you live in the catchment area of all my local clubs then you can get in though you might have to wait a year or two if there is a waiting list. The rents are fueled mainly by what the local clubs would pay until a super club opened the eyes to the landowners could get from them , way above what the locals could afford.Its true there is the odd wildfowling syndicate who will pay over the odds , but they are very much one offs and 90% of the demand comes from clubs and the action of a super club looks like pricing the locals out of the market. What a super club does in its own back yard is up to them and the more shooting they secure the better . It dosent effect fowlers a 100 miles away. But when they start spreading across the country its a different story. How would you feel is a super club from another part of the country payed well over the odds for a nearby marsh and as a result increased the rent your club has to pay in rent by several 100% . I have never sugested anything illegal happened , its more a question of morals and respect for the sport of others. Edited March 14, 2013 by anser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 100% correct Robert also a Statement imade on another Forum "give it 4-5 years KWC will shift the Geese" well it's only took 2 seasons this last season Geese built up November moon and it sounded like world war 3 Geese gone yes that's something to be proud of"NOT" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry P Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Same old stories, same old accusations, the rspb have been offering wedges of cash ALL over the country for years, yet its laid at kents door for increases rents, sorry pal but i just do not believe it. If kent are driving away geese and allowing their marshes to be over shot then they will pay in membership so I would be suprised if they are allowing it to happen, as for world war 3 go to any club marsh when the geese first arrive, it will be just the same. I have never cliamed money is the be all for clubs but without it clubs are done for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominicrobed Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Application form all done and in the post recorded delivery so fingers crossed i am aloud to join :-s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkboy84 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Terry if you think money should always be the most important factor then god help the future on the individual shooter or small club. As for the locals not being able to get into a nearby club in my area if you live in the catchment area of all my local clubs then you can get in though you might have to wait a year or two if there is a waiting list. The rents are fueled mainly by what the local clubs would pay until a super club opened the eyes to the landowners could get from them , way above what the locals could afford.Its true there is the odd wildfowling syndicate who will pay over the odds , but they are very much one offs and 90% of the demand comes from clubs and the action of a super club looks like pricing the locals out of the market. What a super club does in its own back yard is up to them and the more shooting they secure the better . It dosent effect fowlers a 100 miles away. But when they start spreading across the country its a different story. How would you feel is a super club from another part of the country payed well over the odds for a nearby marsh and as a result increased the rent your club has to pay in rent by several 100% . I have never sugested anything illegal happened , its more a question of morals and respect for the sport of others. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy220 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 DOMINICROBED. How did you get on? Im thinking of joining. Was you an associate for long or straight in to the full membership? Can you go through the process for me? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Kent wildfowlers are like a bad disease spreading like a bacteria all over the country a pandemic if you will, I've seen the take a marsh down the road from me which I know people who had shot there for 40 odd years, and as for the RSPB comment there are quite a few marshes that the RSPB let to wildfowlers with very few conditions and you can go when you want, Kent are turning in to a business rather than a club whats the point of having a marsh you have to book your turn to go out madness in my opinion, and looks like some others have the measure of AJ to..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barls2-9-12 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 The whole point of having permits is so that the ground is not over shot for one. Secondly so that areas when shooting is good it allows every one to have a fair chance of getting a permit to shoot that area. Also within the club there are several areas where a monthly permit can be obtained. And a vast majority of permit areas can be applied for and printed off the website in the matter of minutes. Land is worth how ever much you can get for it. Wildfowling clubs like Kent don't increase the price of land it's just how things are. A club which may of had a pice of marsh for 40 plus years will of paid a lot less for it back in the day but when it comes up for renegotiation or sale the price is reflected in the current market. It is a shame that a small club sometimes losses out. But with duck shooting growing ever more popular and the capital the rspb have at there disposal it is inevitable that the price is just going to keep on rising. I would much rather clubs like Kent purchased the land and kept it in the hands of wildfowlers than the likes of the rspb. It is still open to all to shoot just because a club from out of that particular county has got it. There is no reason the person who had shot it for the past 40 years still can't. It's not a shut up shop.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 to me it seems a bit to cosy with Alan Jarrett who is WHT trustee( http://www.wht.org.uk/?page_id=55 ) and chairman of the Kent Wildfowling and Conservation Association,surely he will know all land available and costs when another wildfowling approaches the wht for a possible loan to buy wildfowling land No as a trustee of a charity when ever a conflict in interest occurs he must step out for the discussion and barred from the vote - by law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varminator Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 to me it seems a bit to cosy with Alan Jarrett who is WHT trustee( http://www.wht.org.uk/?page_id=55 ) and chairman of the Kent Wildfowling and Conservation Association,surely he will know all land available and costs when another wildfowling approaches the wht for a possible loan to buy wildfowling land You do realise that Alan probably watches this site and that you are currently considering joining Kent WA? WHT don't look for land that is coming up for sale either, they respond to club requests for finance and I am sure that he would not step on another clubs toes linked with WHT. Knowing Alan over the last few years you will not come across anyone more dedicated to preserving fowling opportunities for everyone, than anyone else in the country. If you were passionate about buying land for wildfowlers would you not want to be a Trustee on the WHT? And I am sure that if you look into it once you become a member you will find Kent raise most of their money to buy land through other forms of finance, such as commerical loans. I would not hesitate to get an application in and as you would probably benefit from going out a few times with a member you will find they have a dog and most of us with dogs are more than happy to work them for others as at least it gives them something to do. Find a decent member who you get on with and your problem may be solved. I wish you the best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varminator Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The whole point of having permits is so that the ground is not over shot for one. Secondly so that areas when shooting is good it allows every one to have a fair chance of getting a permit to shoot that area. Also within the club there are several areas where a monthly permit can be obtained. And a vast majority of permit areas can be applied for and printed off the website in the matter of minutes. Land is worth how ever much you can get for it. Wildfowling clubs like Kent don't increase the price of land it's just how things are. A club which may of had a pice of marsh for 40 plus years will of paid a lot less for it back in the day but when it comes up for renegotiation or sale the price is reflected in the current market. It is a shame that a small club sometimes losses out. But with duck shooting growing ever more popular and the capital the rspb have at there disposal it is inevitable that the price is just going to keep on rising. I would much rather clubs like Kent purchased the land and kept it in the hands of wildfowlers than the likes of the rspb. It is still open to all to shoot just because a club from out of that particular county has got it. There is no reason the person who had shot it for the past 40 years still can't. It's not a shut up shop.. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIDES EDGE Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 The whole point of having permits is so that the ground is not over shot for one. Secondly so that areas when shooting is good it allows every one to have a fair chance of getting a permit to shoot that area. Also within the club there are several areas where a monthly permit can be obtained. And a vast majority of permit areas can be applied for and printed off the website in the matter of minutes. Land is worth how ever much you can get for it. Wildfowling clubs like Kent don't increase the price of land it's just how things are. A club which may of had a pice of marsh for 40 plus years will of paid a lot less for it back in the day but when it comes up for renegotiation or sale the price is reflected in the current market. It is a shame that a small club sometimes losses out. But with duck shooting growing ever more popular and the capital the rspb have at there disposal it is inevitable that the price is just going to keep on rising. I would much rather clubs like Kent purchased the land and kept it in the hands of wildfowlers than the likes of the rspb. It is still open to all to shoot just because a club from out of that particular county has got it. There is no reason the person who had shot it for the past 40 years still can't. It's not a shut up shop.. Well said I second that , any one can join the KWCA and get a permit and continue to shoot a marsh that would have probably been lost to the RSPB or a private syndicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted September 17, 2013 Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 I too agree wholeheartedly, although I was highly amused to see Alan Jarrett referred to by an earlier contributor as a "disease". I have often considered him to be a mild affliction, but never a disease.Must be something he picked up in Africa. Is that right that KWACA has just picked up a new marsh just outside Jo`burg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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